Staying free from feminist lies

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Equal pay is still an issue in the US. Compare the number of single mums to single fathers. How many men get away with not paying child support? How many women have been killed due to domestic violence (it is one a day in Australia). How many females are represented in politics/CEO etc. Females are now required to work but statistically do the lions share of house hold tasks. Males still dominate math and science fields…why?

These are absolutely womens issues.

Just because we have come a long way from our historical counterparts doesn’t mean we have reached equality.

I think you just see feminists as burn the bra, rabid abortionists. I think you will find that most level headed feminists (like myself) who want to address the above in order to reach equality. You can still respect men and be pro life to achieve this.
 
Everyone is different. I don’t think we should discount that. And most woman know what they are about. We shouldn’t try to change someone’s mind on this issue. Some women just aren’t cut out to be mothers or just don’t have the desire to be a mother. We shouldn’t get pregnant and bring children into the world unless we really want them. I have friends who will say, “Well once you hold your baby, you will wonder how you lived without one”. And I know people who listened to this BS, had the kid, and never felt that way. It is too high risk of an experiment.

I realize this isn’t exactly what the CCC teaches on this subject, but it is what I know.
 
We can only speak from personal experience about this. My cousin and her husband chose not to have children – as many couples today are choosing. Life is certainly easier but oh, how boring! It’s wonderful to be there for someone through their lifetime; as our parents were for us. And once a parent, always a parent. Childbirth is definitely strenuous but I can’t stand the movie portrayals of it where a woman is screaming bloody murder until the baby is born. I didn’t think it was painful. And there is no feeling like when that little soul is first cradled in your arms. It is the full and total experience of overwhelming peace. You certainly won’t be the girl you were before but hair eventually thins anyway…may as well have a good reason for it.
 
RosalieM said:
Childbirth is definitely strenuous but I can’t stand the movie portrayals of it where a woman is screaming bloody murder until the baby is born.
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Media portrayals of childbirth (and pregnancy, tbh) are absolutely atrocious. I am with completely with you on that. I won’t say my labors haven’t been painful, because they have been at times, but yeah, it’s a very different kind of pain than, say, breaking a bone, or getting dental work done (Two of my labors lasted over a day, and I’d still take those experiences any day over, say, a tooth extraction). That said, it’s still really hard work, and it takes a long time to recover, and we are not good about giving women that.
 
RosalieM said:
And there is no feeling like when that little soul is first cradled in your arms. It is the full and total experience of overwhelming peace.
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It’s not this way for everyone.

Marriage and children do go together, but if a woman doesn’t want to have children, there is nothing wrong with that, and it doesn’t make her selfish like some people suggest. The selfish thing is to have sex that’s not open to life, yes. But certainly a woman is free not to marry if she doesn’t want to be a mother.
 
RosalieM said:
My cousin and her husband chose not to have children – as many couples today are choosing. Life is certainly easier but oh, how boring!
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Boring is very subjective, but I’m personally with your cousin and husband on this one. Not every woman finds the idea of motherhood as interesting. In fact, many, like me, find the “mommy life” unappealing. As said before, not every woman is cut out for or desires motherhood. Those of us who fall into that category shouldn’t constantly be guilt-tripped into desiring a child we don’t want or made to feel like we’re selfish narcissists.
 
I agree.

If someone accuses me of being a selfish narcissist because I am not a mother, even if that were true, is it really desirable for a selfish narcissist to be a mother?

No.

There are some posters in this forum who can attest to growing up as the child of narcissistic mothers. Motherhood does not cure one of narcissism.
 
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ewohdrol said:
Equal pay is still an issue in the US.
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That’s mostly because women don’t speak up for themselves and simply ask for higher pay.
ewohdrol said:
Compare the number of single mums to single fathers. How many men get away with not paying child support?
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Well, many of those single mothers caused their own problems of being single moms in the first place due to their own sins of fornication, which resulted in being an unwed mother and then the boyfriend decides to walk out on them. Maybe if they had followed God’s laws of chastity to begin with, they wouldn’t have ended up in that position in the first place.

Before you all start in, yes I know, not all single moms are single for that reason. But many of the single mothers out there are in the position they’re in due to their own lack of self-control that ended them up pregnant in the first place. So the way to solve that problem would be to stay abstinent.
ewohdrol said:
How many women have been killed due to domestic violence (it is one a day in Australia).
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That is a shame. But there are more and more resources coming out to help women in this, so they shouldn’t feel alone and like they can’t escape.
ewohdrol said:
How many females are represented in politics/CEO etc.
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A lot more than you’re making it out to be. Women are becoming more and more career-oriented nowadays, they put off motherhood and marriage for that reason to chase those sorts of ambitions.
ewohdrol said:
Females are now required to work but statistically do the lions share of house hold tasks.
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All they have to do is ask their husbands for help.
ewohdrol said:
Males still dominate math and science fields…why?
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Because the male brain is more geared towards those subjects than women so they’re naturally better at it than most women. And many women don’t find those subjects interesting to begin with, so that’s why they don’t pursue them.
ewohdrol said:
I think you just see feminists as burn the bra, rabid abortionists. I think you will find that most level headed feminists (like myself) who want to address the above in order to reach equality. You can still respect men and be pro life to achieve this.
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OK, but most self-proclaimed “feminists” are not like you. Most are the first type of woman you described. If I were to tell any random person on the street that I’m a feminist, they’d think that I’d be saying I’m the first woman you described as well. They wouldn’t think I’m a devout Catholic girl who also just wants equal rights for women in the ways you described. That’s why I avoid that label.
 
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Diamond93 said:
Equal pay is still an issue in the US.
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Nope. Not at all. It is because women have to take time off to have children. They come back to work while their male counterparts have moved up the corporate ladder. They will not catch up when they have children as this is still a priority to them. Men don’t traditionally have the same expectations when they have children as their wife will still do everything for the children (while she is working of course),
Diamond93 said:
Well, many of those single mothers caused their own problems of being single moms in the first place due to their own sins of fornication, which resulted in being an unwed mother and then the boyfriend decides to walk out on them. Maybe if they had followed God’s laws of chastity to begin with, they wouldn’t have ended up in that position in the first place, now would they?
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Wow. I don’t even know where to begin with this one. You realise people break up right? Many of these women were married most likely in good faith that their partner wouldn’t bail. In fact the vast amount of single women in shelters in my community have left abusive marriages.

Even if she was sleeping around the onus is as much on the father to accept the consequence as the mother.

Your comments come across very elitist.
Diamond93 said:
hat is a shame. But there are more and more resources coming out to help women in this, so they shouldn’t feel alone and like they can’t escape.
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Ummmm no. Legal rights are still very much weighed to the father’s rights. Police have their hands tied with domestic disputes as they cannot treat it like an assault. If a woman leaves her abuser she has a x7 more likely chance of mortality by the hands of her abuser. The waiting list to get into a undisclosed shelter can be months. Add to the mix she may not have access to money and has been isolated from support networks. Add children to the mix it is worse. Please educate yourself on the more unfortunate.
Diamond93 said:
How many females are represented in politics/CEO etc.
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Compared to men? It is a minority.
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Diamond93 said:
All they have to do is ask their husbands for help…not that hard.
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That easy right? The silly women just forgot to ask! How embarrassing.
Diamond93 said:
Because the male brain is more geared towards those subjects than women so they’re naturally better at it than most women. And many women don’t find those subjects interesting to begin with, so that’s why they don’t pursue them.
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Physiology of the brain would argue otherwise. I am a female researcher and a feminist. Unsurprisingly it is very much a boys club especially in the physics departments. Does not make for an attractive workplace or field for women. A reminder that it was only very recently in history women were even allowed to study maths and sciences. Nothing to do with brains and everything to do with sociology.
Diamond93 said:
OK, but most self-proclaimed “feminists” are not like you. Most are the first type of woman you described. If I were to tell any random person on the street that I’m a feminist, they’d think that I’d be saying I’m the first woman you described as well. They wouldn’t think I’m a devout Catholic girl who also just wants equal rights for women in the ways you described. That’s why I avoid that label.
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Here I agree with you. But if you look up the true meaning of a feminist you will quickly realise there is no one doctrine you must subscribe to. My sister is a leader at a ‘pro-life pro-woman’ feminist group. Very catholic. I honestly feel if you want to be a good catholic you need to look after those who are underprivileged. Not just blame them for their unfortunately circumstances (we don’t all have the same supportive upbringing).
 
Women’s rights have to do with the laws on the books. In the US women have the same rights as men. In some states, even more. A mother is much more likely than the father to be awarded custody in a divorce, for example.

I find it hard to believe that in most workplaces women make less for the exact. same. job. It would be interesting to see studies of that. As a group they may make less but that’s because the job titles and responsibilities are different. We need to compare apples to apples. The reasons why women may not have the same position is a different issue. But we can’t claim that she is not getting equal pay if she doesn’t have the same position or doesn’t put in the same number of hours.

Why do we have to strive for a a society where women work the same jobs as men, study the same subjects, bring home equal paycheck, and divide housework 50/50? Any woman who wants to pursue these things already can. But I don’t know why this should be the standard or the ideal. There is equally nothing wrong with women pursuing different types of work, accepting less pay but also less hectic work schedule or demands, in exchange for more time with her kids. Women do have choices in the US.
 
That’s the problem. As a catholic I reject modern feminism due to the it’s tendency to destroy the family. One of the reasons I don’t like asking questions on here is because people run their mouth with smart elec comments. I don’t like it. And I will look into those links you posted. Perhaps it might be just a fear thing. Don’t know for sure
 
Nah I’m going to create a bunch of children regardless. Women have instincts to desire children. The women that don’t want to be mothers (nothing wrong with them) probably shouldn’t be anyways.
 
Why would it matter how i word things? I think sticking to the subject and trying your best to be helpful would be a much better comment choice.
 
I’ve seen feminists try to discourage woman from having kids by fear mongering “most women get lead after child birth” I posted this thread because my friend was discouraged from having kids. If you want to discuss how I said something was a lie I will make a new thread under the right category.
 
I agree with you.
I can’t speak for the OP’s friend but I also have some of these fears and I am definitely not a feminist.
 
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