Staying free from feminist lies

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I asked you to define the term ‘masculinist,’ which you introduced into the discussion. Your reply that the terms were meaningless is just wearying. Why bother if you don’t actually want a conversation? Hence my response.

For the record, one dictionary definition of the term is “anti-feminist, believing that all philosophy that cannot be defined solely through the lens of male experience should be discarded.”

Shall we assume that’s what you mean?
 
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Wouldn’t a masculinist be the mirror of a feminist?

If your husband is a feminist, would you not be consistent being a masculinist?
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I don’t know why you think this is a logical response. Feminist is an established word with an established movement. Masculinist is a less acknowledged word which you didn’t define. If it means gender equality, then it would be the same thing. If it doesn’t, then it’s not. Are you trying to make a point? If so, just say it tbh. It’s a lot faster to do so.
 
If equal rights and equal pay for women is all that feminism is about, there is no longer a need for feminists in the US. We have both, and the protection of the law to ensure them. Feminists need to concentrate their efforts in other countries instead of wasting energy here. Many areas of the world need their help, but the only thing you hear the feminists insisting on in those countries is “family planning.” Family planning is not equal rights equal pay, or protection.
 
13pollitos said:
equal rights and equal pay for women is all that feminism is about, there is no longer a need for feminists in the US. We have both, and the protection of the law to ensure them
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We do not yet have equal pay. Even when factors such as time off to have or care for children are figured in, women still earn less.
For example, female doctors earn about $20K less than their male colleagues.
 
My point is that a feminist should also be a masculinist, and a masculinist should also be a feminist.

Why would the terms be different for one? If a feminist upholds equal rights for men and women, why is “masculinist” not an equally appropriate term?
 
13pollitos said:
If equal rights and equal pay for women is all that feminism is about, there is no longer a need for feminists in the US. We have both, and the protection of the law to ensure them. Feminists need to concentrate their efforts in other countries instead of wasting energy here. Many areas of the world need their help, but the only thing you hear the feminists insisting on in those countries is “family planning.” Family planning is not equal rights equal pay, or protection.
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The number one thing that comes to my mind, regarding feminism, is the right to contracept and perform abortions.
 
Well then women should be fighting to uphold an equal definition of masculinist as feminist.

Inequality of definition of terms is an injustice to men! Lol
 
I don’t think that is correct. The fields female doctors choose affect their pay. If a woman has concerns about her pay at her job, she needs to bring it to the attention of the legal authorities. If not, she either does not care, understands it is from the choices she personally made, or she is part of the problem for not taking action for herself.
 
As far as society goes, men have their battles as well. We should move past the us versus them attitudes. It is the cause of all these issues. So very sad
 
The problem is that it seems like there’s no way to bring up a problem that affects one group of people specifically without it being turned into a case of “us versus them”. Usually, “move past us versus them” ends up in practice meaning “no one cares about your problems so stop talking about them.”

Most feminists, you’ll find, are quite happy to talk about men’s problems as well, as long as it’s not being used in a way that’s intended to say women should stop talking about theirs.
 
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Not stop talking, but there is no need to make it out worse than it is. There are legal rights and protections in place. It is up to people to either use those channels or let it go. It isn’t up to everyone else to champion the cause of strangers who may not even feel as if they were treated unfairly. They may very well acknowlebtbat they had choices and lived with them. And the fact that many of the problems that feminist currently say they want rectified truly can’t be, due to biology. Women who marry and have children (or just have children) can not bypass the pregnancy, birth and recovery. Biologically the only way to fix that is to not get pregnant, or through abortion. Which is what MOST feminists advocate for as the cure to all problems.

Men have there share of things. Since women are incapacitated during the recovery period, it is up to them to provide and support during that time. Many men would love to be able to be home more often. Many men would prefer a job that did not take them away so much. But due to biology, they are better suited for employment outside the home than their wives during that time.
 
Except maybe people actually do think it’s worse than you do.

Yes, a lot of feminists think that men should have more options to stay home and take time with their kids.

The problem with legal rights is we live in a society of humans. I know many times I’ve heard “this was illegal, but the police wouldn’t take my report.” Or “I know this is illegal, but if it gets out that I made a complaint, I’ll be considered a troublemaker and be blacklisted in my field.” Or “I know that’s illegal, but I don’t want everyone to think I’m easy or slutty or that I’m trying to ruin his life.” Laws on the books don’t always translate to effective laws, if the proper channels don’t work or if there are significant consequences for using them.
 
As a teacher I can see the reasons for separate curriculum though. I can not say for certain it was a bad thing. Currently, boys would really benefit from a different type of schooling than they are provided with in the US.
 
True. I agree that there is the potential for discrimination even when legal protections are in place. I am a minority, immigrant woman married to an immigrant minority man. Things Can and do happen. Sometimes, though, we view things more negatively than the situation truly warrants because we have been taught we must be in a constant battle.
 
There were no female scientists in the UK until the 1980’s and beyond?
 
True, but on the flip side, it’s often very easy for people to decide that something they haven’t personally dealt with is a much less negative issue than it is for those in certain situations.

There’s also been a lot of studies, for example, that even when men and women work the same number of hours outside of the home, women on average do more work in the home as well. Within academia, I’ve also seen a number of stories where people’s expectations cause problems - for example, only inviting the man in a married couple to meetings because they assume the wife will be staying home with the kids, even when the kid is well old enough that dad could watch him. Or a lot of other cases where there’s just a baseline assumption that the woman shouldn’t be offered opportunities because she’s going to be doing the childcare (and the flip side that people are confused or ask where the wife is if the man indicates a childcare conflict).
 
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