Staying, Leaving?

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I am absolutely staying. God brought me back, I won’t quit just because of a scandal.
 
13pollitos said:
Not who you addressed, but to me, no, it doesn’t seem that way. To end the journey of Seeking would be leaving Christ. People who are still searching for Him have not left.
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Christ — in His True Presence, body and blood — is in the Catholic Church. No need to seek any further.
 
Don’t see it that way, and no offense taken. And by the same token please don’t take offense but in my view the RCC had already wandered a bit too far away from Christ for my taste, I view myself as just having one on a journey to get back closer to him.
 
Of course it was but it DOES seem to have abandon Him in many ways. I say this as a life long Catholic. I do not trust the Vatican anymore. I do not trust the Cardinals or Bishops. I do have some priests that I do trust, but very, very few. I can hardly stand the idea of being in Communion with people that have been so corrupted, disgusting, and vile and I often wonder if the Eucharist is tainted or valid at all due to the state of the hierarchy at the moment. The Orthodox also have valid sacraments and they too were founded by Christ Himself. I keep listening and praying for God to lead me where He wants me. So far I am staying but if God leads me elsewhere I will go.
 
You’re confusing the Church with some of its leaders —confusing Christ and Judas. The Church remains the one established by Christ. She is unblemished as is Christ.
 
Since you asked, and again please don’t take offense, as the RCC exists today? No. I do not believe it is.
 
No, it’s not just some of its leaders. It is much more than that. There have been many changes made that make it almost unrecognizable anymore.
 
Don’t really want to argue about this on this thread. It is off topic. Perhaps on another thread.
 
I don’t see it as off topic at all. If one believes it is the church established by Christ, it’s impossible to leave it. If one doesn’t believe it is the church established by Christ, I’d hope there are reasons given for this view.
 
Padres1969 said:
And by the same token please don’t take offense but in my view the RCC had already wandered a bit too far away from Christ for my taste, I view myself as just having one on a journey to get back closer to him.
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In what ways?
 
13pollitos said:
Of course it was but it DOES seem to have abandon Him in many ways. I say this as a life long Catholic. I do not trust the Vatican anymore. I do not trust the Cardinals or Bishops.
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See? That’s how I’m feeling at the moment.
 
13pollitos said:
and I often wonder if the Eucharist is tainted or valid at all due to the state of the hierarchy at the moment.
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I keep wondering about the validity of the Eucharist, too, but I’ve been told, here on CAF, that the Eucharist is still valid. I hope someone can link us to something that backs that belief up.
 
13pollitos said:
Don’t really want to argue about this on this thread. It is off topic. Perhaps on another thread.
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I’m the OP. I don’t mind your answering the question, but if you’d prefer, I also wouldn’t mind discussing it on another thread.
 
Alright. I first started feeling the Church moving away from Christ when Pope Francis called the couple in Argentina and told them they could receive the Eucharist although their marriage was invalid. I dismissed it because the Vatican never confirmed those reports. Then the off the cuff remarks about contraception might be alright in the Zika crisis, and the mother of 8 that sparked his “breeding like rabbits” comments. Then the whole remarrige and Communion fiasco. Then the death penalty changes. Many other comments and just odd feelings, refusals to answer questions that would clear up confusion. It got me looking back over Church history and learning that if the Apostles were among us today, they would be very confused with the way things are.
 
For now I am staying and just living out my faith in the best way I can. I talk to Jesus and ask Him to cling tight to me so I don’t end up lost. I do believe that one reason Pope Francis hasn’t publically stated clarification to the Dubia is due to the Holy Spirit. So somewhere in this mess the True Church does exist. I’m just not seeing clear proof, just out of faith. I can easily understand how somebody else would see the Church externally moving away from Christ and not have the faith to see the way the Holy Spirit is moving to protect the remnants.
 
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