Staying, Leaving?

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I Remember watching early Oprah when she did shocking stories about how women found out they were married to a homosexual man. The heart break was enormous. Yet, many womens choice was to maintain the marriage. In many ways there is similarities to these old Oprah stories as we are the Bride.

Further down in the Oprah series, she explored families where there was incest. The children were more upset at their Mother for not protecting them than their Father who molested them. In most circumstances, the mother seemed to go into a shock which allowed her to live comfortably in denial. As the bride of the broken family, taking the leader down would bring bankruptcy, change in residence, and humiliation among the community. I can see how We, The Chuch, are like these broken families.

The last of Oprah’s series seemed to show the same broken people who were empowered and would take steps to remove the cancer in the family despite the consequences.

As a family of the Catholic Church (which we were born into at Baptism), I don’t want to abandon my family. However, I can see the need to remove the cancer from our family so that we can heal and regroup.

I imagine a future time ahead when we might have to make pilgrimages once a year for our Sacraments of Reconciliation and the Holy Eucharist due to a shortage of Priests. I would prefer having this over wolves in sheeps clothing in large numbers administering these Sacraments. With this many fellow Catholics will probably have to be in a foster family of close Catholic Faiths … just as if a Father were separated from his family and the state had to find places for the young & elderly. I will do what I can to be a help, but these is so little I have to offer. May God have Justice and Mercy upon us as we show what it means to be a family when things go terribly wrong.
 
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I am staying. Not uncomfortable either. I’m sure I am rare but all I feel is sadness. Not anger. Just the same sadness I would feel for any crime that involves vulnerable people. I use to watch a ton of Investigation Discovery Channel. It is rare for me to be surprised by human actions. Yes they are suppose to be men of God, but bad people will always find ways to get what they want. So, they just lied their way to power (meaning to get access to what they want) like any other person. The Dorothy Dott stuff also helps us to see why there where so many.
 
Hope1960 said:
Who is staying in the Church as a faithful Catholic after the scandals an who, if anyone is leaving?

I plan to stay but I feel kind of uncomfortable about staying? Anyone else?
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I’m staying 200%

It’s time to pray more, fast more, and demand a better clergy.

Wurel is on his way out because the laity has made their voices heard online and in person.

We must do the same for all clergy who put up with the status quo or put political agendas before the teachings of Jesus Christ.

To me, this is the best time to be a Catholic and when there is adversity… more Saints rise up.

God Bless
 
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Already left. The previous round of scandals revealed in the early 2000’s (personally including 3 sexual predator priests at my own parish and one my priest teachers at my Catholic high school, all of whom were given the musical chairs defense by the RCC) already played a part in driving me away. The continuing revelations about the rot from top to bottom in the Church leadership that keeps coming up, be it Ireland, Pennsylvania, Chile, Germany, Australia, etc… just reinforces that decision for me time and again. The RCC’s leadership has lost all moral authority they claim to possess in my view. At least until they’ve cleaned house and got their business in order… which almost two decades later isn’t looking likely.

As for an exodus, well my entire family has fallen away over the last two decades in part for the same reason. As have a great many friends. And my childhood diocese is now in dire financial straits, so clearly it’s had an impact. Probably not the only negative impact, but given the breadth and depth of the scandal… it’s had a big impact.
 
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I am staying. After all, where would I go. This is the church Jesus established.

In any case, I believe that Pope Benedict XVI’s comments that he believed we would end up with a smaller more holy and purified church in the future were prophetic. I also believe that the “gates of hell will not prevail” against our church.

I think much more is going to come out over the next few years. I also think it will be the catalyst for some serious housekeeping and reform.

I love the Catholic church and I have dealt with the most wonderful, good and holy Priests. So I am staying rain or shine.
 
On a 10 year tour with longer stops in the middle of nowhere (atheism), Thomas Paine’s neck of the woods (deism), and non denominational-land (generic Christian) before landing happily at one of the neighbor’s house (Anglican).
 
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Thanks for sharing these sensible observations. I’ve already thought about a foster family in the eventual need. It is difficult to know if the wolves will remain in occupation or go. Either way, there will be few faithful left.
 
There is no God formed before God; there will be no God formed after God -Isaiah 43:10

Where else would I go? Why would I run from my creator because his creations are flawed by their own free will? That isn’t his doing. Just like you wouldn’t blame all the Angels in heaven because satan took a bunch down with him. You can’t blame the Church (made up of the people) for the actions of men. Let them be found, let them be tried and removed from the Priesthood… and life goes on.
 
Mystically the Church is the greatest thing we have in the world. In the old days people took things like vampires and demons and things more seriously and had the weapons to fight against them. I think the side effect of the modernist heresy has so permeated our society as a whole it has even come into the hierarchy and the abuse is part of that when these people think they can do these things without potentially facing eternal damnation or sweep it all under the rug. Proper morality consists of doing the right thing when no one is looking. These people are worse than animals. I have lost faith in all of our leaders in politics and yes in a majority of the clergy. It’s like many are just going through the motions and don’t have faith in the ancient ways we’ve had for generations. It has become more like a myth in vernacular than an authentic spiritual reality in something that is really happening. I take our faith seriously. The demons of the past hide in plain sight in the modernist heresy that there is some supposed normality to the world and that these things don’t truly exist. When people no longer fear the fate of their own soul and justify acting in these perversions only to pretend like it doesn’t exist. I find a striking similarity in the position of many on the existence of spiritual things. The innocent will be avenged. And be warned lest one also not fall into judgement.

I believe in the sacraments. I will go underground and attend once in a while just to stay afloat but I am disgusted how much the secular notion of this modernist morality of the ends justifying the means has been practised by those who conceal the truth. In politics. In the church. In the general normality of pedophilia there and in Hollywood. I cannot even watch the news. I don’t believe a word they say. Everyone has an agenda and it is at the expense of the common folk who are trying to live with dignity. Spiritism and mysticism is ridiculed as psychosis because it makes the public uncomfortable. People suffer for their faith in Christ every day. We are supposed to be a sanctuary and it is being defiled. There are some good clerics that try to fight for us and we need them desperately… but often their hands are tied. As a long time Goth I know of the hypocrisy we have had in the church. We even celebrate that we are suffering in a way other cultures don’t and we are not ashamed to point out how those who have came before us or were supposed to steward us have failed. We need heroic saints to rise up. We need to remember the heroes of the past.

I will unabashedly say I will always consider myself Catholic. I will always have faith in Jesus Christ.

But.

I am tired of having the finger pointed at me for my supposed wretchedness when our leaders are getting away with murder when they are supposed to be our shepherds.

I accept myself more for the first time in years through some of this disillusionment. I am human just like anybody else.

Someone anyone does this to my kids they are murdered dead and gone… sorry.

I will hold onto my rosary. I will hold onto what the faith of the saints has taught me.
 
Cotn

I am currently exploring alternative esoteric interpretations of Christianity and Mysticism.

I am more open to Paganism and soft polytheism.

I wonder if there is some truth to the legends of the ancients.

I will go to Church when I feel like it.

I will not be afraid or scrupulous or small anymore constantly fearing damnation for small sins.

I will be willing to believe there is more to God than just Christianity.

We don’t have a monopoly on God.

I know God will avenge those innocent who suffer because in that very nature they are conformed to the image of Christ.

If I abandon everything all together…

I will never give up faith in the blessed Virgin and her unfailing help.

We are promised peace. Whether or not we see it come to pass is another story.

Christ condemns various churches in revelation.

I would rather be by myself than be condemned.

And no… I am not protestant.

But I’ve had enough.

Gonna go find a metaphorical cave to hide in and become a werewolf or a wizard or something.

At least for a little while.

Maybe once the Holy Father actually speaks.

But we need more than one person to remedy this situation.

People have been saying blaming the devil is a cop out. We yeah it kind of is. But whose to say he isn’t a part of the picture?

I don’t think this is the end for us.

We are promised the victory.

But I have a hard time believing anything a lot of clergy says these days because it seems disingenuous and designed to make us stay instead of saying what they are going to do about it.
Bring on the whip of Jesus Christ.
Our temple needs to be cleansed.
 
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Not sure. I found the journey to be a very personal experience quite honestly. But if nothing else I’d say, be observant. I spent a lot of time observing, both in person and in researching. Read, a lot.
 
Padres1969 said:
Already left. The previous round of scandals revealed in the early 2000’s (personally including 3 sexual predator priests at my own parish and one my priest teachers at my Catholic high school, all of whom were given the musical chairs defense by the RCC) already played a part in driving me away. The continuing revelations about the rot from top to bottom in the Church leadership that keeps coming up, be it Ireland, Pennsylvania, Chile, Germany, Australia, etc… just reinforces that decision for me time and again. The RCC’s leadership has lost all moral authority they claim to possess in my view. At least until they’ve cleaned house and got their business in order… which almost two decades later isn’t looking likely.

As for an exodus, well my entire family has fallen away over the last two decades in part for the same reason. As have a great many friends. And my childhood diocese is now in dire financial straits, so clearly it’s had an impact. Probably not the only negative impact, but given the breadth and depth of the scandal… it’s had a big impact.
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Forgive me – I don’t want this to sound accusatory. But isn’t this a bit like leaving Christ because of Judas?
 
There are many “lifeboats” out there which
seems to be the rational response to a sinking
ship, it depends on whether you TRUST that
the Truth will stay afloat at the end of the day!!
1 Tim. 3:15
 
I just don’t want to read about stupid conspiracy theories. I prefer to know about the facts instead of wildly biased assumptions about this serious crisis. I am aware of how many people hated the last 3 popes for various reasons. They are the caretakers & yes they are responsible for sweeping it under the rug. I believe in the victims but not the nutty conspiracy theorists like CM & POL.
 
Not who you addressed, but to me, no, it doesn’t seem that way. To end the journey of Seeking would be leaving Christ. People who are still searching for Him have not left.
 
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