I’m not a theologian, but it sounds as if they are not truly repentant, and a priest should not absolve them of their sin until they are contrite over their sin. From what I have heard and read, that kind of disobedience is akin to blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
Ike, I stated alreadythat the analogy was not a perfect or even close parallel of situations but of FEELINGS. I have repeatedly asked even one Catholic here to say what they would do if they suddenly discovered a mandatory Church directive that they found to be as morally offensive as I find this one (and so I gave an extreme example in order to give you all an idea of what that might feel like), and not one person has dared to answer whether they would follow the teaching anyway. I’m guessing it’s not very comfortable for any of you to think about. Welcome to my world.
That is not the ONLY sensible, logical or moral thing to do. It just may be the easiest thing to do. Conservative NFP or continence are both valid options and are both also sensible, logical and moral. Sterilization is only moral IF you take God out of your decision making process.
There are dozens of people on this forum alone who have similar stories. It’s not the easy way out but doing the right thing is rarely doing the easiest thingWhat would be your “contingency plan” should you get pregnant, even after sterilization, LaSainte?
Thank you so muchThat is not the ONLY sensible, logical or moral thing to do. It just may be the easiest thing to do. Conservative NFP or continence are both valid options and are both also sensible, logical and moral. Sterilization is only moral IF you take God out of your decision making process.
The Church does not tell you to have six children or to try to get pregnant if you have a health reason not to. I have two children but wanted more. I had serious complications with my second so used NFP to delay another child. As it turned out, I did not have any fertile years left.
It sounds very much like you are overwhelmend with your current pregnancy. I hope all goes well with your birth and having the new addition in your home.
. I am overwhelmed. Excited, but overwhelmed. I HATE taking care of newborns. Sleepless nights, colic, and now I cant even nap with the baby because I have a 2 year old to take care of as well, so say hello to 4 hours of sleep a day for 3 or more months. Did I mention I get PPD something fierce? And that it was a solid year before my son slept through the night? I was a zombie for months, and I would just break down crying and feeling so hopeless, and that was with ONE baby.Well, your analogy is as nonsensical as an atheist saying, “Imagine that Jesus was really Hannibal Lecter and he went around looking for Clarisse Starling to mess around with and …”
The Church cannot err in faith and morals. So, I would obey the Church.
Well I guess I would just die then. Bummer.
Well, LaSainte, I give you an A. I stand corrected.
Let me rephrase. You only want 2 children. You get pregnant next year with Baby #3, despite your best efforts to thwart this.
However, LaSainte does have a piont-- although I agree her analogy is nonsensical.
OK, I reiterate my suggestion that you get some help. Your other statements led me to believe the bolded might be the case, and you have now confirmed it.
Ditto here.
I disagree. These are just words.
It is objective moral truth, regardless of how well people are able to live in accordance with it. And the prohibition on deliberate subversion of the human sexual configuration is very logical, and also very clear.
No. The only sane, logical, and moral thing to do would be to refrain from further sex until your natural fecundity has run its course. It would, in fact, be outrageously immoral to subject yourself to such risk just a few paltry orgasms.
Haha. Thanks
Humanae Vitae is short and sweet but didn’t really tell me anything I didn’t know already.My first (now 10) did not sleep the night until 17 months. Consistantly. At around 6 months he would switch it up a bit by sleeping the night 2 times in a row occasionally, then start up with his waking every 1 /1/2 hours.Thank you so much
I just pray that he’s healthy and happy. I’ll be fine after the first few months I’m sure, and I know that once I lay eyes on my little guy I will love him like crazy (I hope). I just am not one of those women who likes all this stuff, or wants to even LOOK at other people’s babies and kids. I didn’t even like babysitting when I was a teenager.
And I don’t see a medically necessary sterilization as “cutting God out of the equation”. I see it as using the common sense and technology He gave us to try not to die.
Why not try Alice or Dietrich Von Hildebrande? Dietrich actually has similar reasonings as theology of the body…but written in the 1940’s I believe.Haha. Thanks
No A+ for me. I have read some of all of them, but all of none of them. Castii Connubi almost seemed to me to rule out even NFP. And as much as I LOVE PJP2, I thought TOB just laid it on so THICK, like every sexual encounter is some Earth-Shattering event where space and time cease to exist and it’s you and your spouse and God in some divine embrace. I guess he never heard of just having a quickie at 2 p.m. in the walk-in closet while the baby is napping on the bed
Maybe I should give TOB another shot. I honestly can see myself doing NFP, but the extreme examples are what et to me about the teaching, as if God would expect a woman to abstain for 25 years or possibly die just because you can’t use ABC prevent the conception of some imaginary child that doesn’t even exist is bizarre to me. That and I hink NFP is really not that different from many other forms of contraception, no matter how many times I hear the arguments to he contrary.