Steve Bannon goes after Pope Francis

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Erm… I never said he was…

I was just curious what the question of whether or not ETWN showed the EF mass had to do with anything.
 
There is another thread on Vatican II and liberalism so I’ll leave it there.
 
To be fair, Benedict did laicize literally hundreds of priests over this issue. But the rot goes deep…
 
I do agree with him that the Church is in
decline. To me, the scandal of the sexual abuse has taken a great toll on the Church.
I am a convert and it was something I struggled with beforw joining the Catholic church, but I thought it was finally being addressed, but 10 years after my conversion
the scandal is just as big. It is very disappointing. I love being Catholic, but I get tired of defending why I am still Catholic with
the constant news in the headlines. Since I
am Catholic, I understand that there are Holy priests, bishops, archbishops and Cardinals
who are living Catholic lives and teaching and guiding their flocks in accordance with Catholic teaching and are chaste men and women (except those, of course, who are the married priests and are husbands). However,
those who are not Catholic see the whole
hierarchy of the Catholic church as tainted.
This brings sadness and shame to my heart.
I want the Catholic church to be respected and be the beacon of light on the hill.ness

Also, all churches are in decline right now as more and more people choose to identify with
no organized religion.

I think with the rise of China and its economic
influence around the world, he sees a need to
see that Judeo-Christian princples are not
lost.
 
The problem is that Bannon is going to find some ready allies among factions within Church. There are certainly conservative elements that seem quite willing to undermine Francis, to throw the stones in his direction, though I think more than a few of those conservative elements played their part in the Church’s decline. What Bannon and his fellow travelers want is a hardline Church that is aligned root and stem with reactionary nationalism. I think it’s unfortunate that some of these elements of the Church haven’t learned their lessons from such alignments in the 19th and 20th century, it did the Church no favors.
 
CatholicSooner said:
However, LOL at msnbc using Father James Martin to take the Church’s side.
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Yeah, I love Fr. James Martin and think he’s doing good work for the Church, but I think it was a tactical error to show him in the same video in opposition to Bannon. That will only tend to polarize the audience. Couldn’t they have found someone else, someone more impartial?
 
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CilladeRoma said:
EWTN has become far too agenda driven for me,
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I don’t watch EWTN @CilladeRoma , having watched it for a short while in about 2005 .

But one of its leading reporters , Raymond Arroyo , comes in for criticism on websites .

Some are calling for him to be sacked .
 
So you would prefer to show Bannon having no significant opposition in the Church? Bannon has, if reports are anywhere near accurate, all but labeled France an anti-Pope. What Fr. Martin is advocating is basic Christian decency, the teachings of Christ. What Bannon is advocating is trying to turn the Church into a right wing reactionary body that is little more than a pawn in various nationalists’ hands (hence Bannon’s loving overtures to nationalists in places like Italy and Hungary).
 
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So you would prefer to show Bannon having no significant opposition in the Church? Bannon has, if reports are anywhere near accurate, all but labeled France an anti-Pope. What Fr. Martin is advocating is basic Christian decency, the teachings of Christ. What Bannon is advocating is trying to turn the Church into a right wing reactionary body that is little more than a pawn in various nationalists’ hands (hence Bannon’s loving overtures to nationalists in places like Italy and Hungary).
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Sorry, but I have very serious issues with Father Martin’s teachings and dealings. He is way to accepting of the gay life style. It is one thing to say we should be accepting of gays…because we should be. But he takes it a step further and attends their rallys,etc. He does nothing to try and help them overcome their sin.

As far as Bannon goes, do you know what he is trying to do specifically? B/c I haven’t seen anything
 
Bannon was one the people responsible for getting Trump elected President. He is pro-nationalist and anti-immigrant.
 
In all fairness, the walls at the Vatican are a historical relic of ages past. If you want to go into Vatican City, you walk in. No questions asked or documents asked for. You literally walk up the street and go right in.
 
This was on EWTN. You call this nothing of value on EWTN? This is of great value for all! Perhaps you’re being a bit hypocritical!

 
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I don’t watch EWTN for Mass, I have beautiful daily Masses where I am.

It’s most of their other programming I have issues with. So no, I am not being hypocritical.
 
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So you would prefer to show Bannon having no significant opposition in the Church?
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No, I think they should have looked around and found a respected and perhaps conservative priest, bishop, or Catholic commentator to speak up against Bannon. That would have made stronger opposition.

Once again, I am fine with Fr. Martin and I respect him. However, I recognize that many others do not like, respect, or listen to him.

In a polarized culture, quoting Fr. Martin against Mr. Bannon is sure to convince some people that Bannon is right. Why? Because they have come to think Fr. Martin is wrong.
 
CilladeRoma said:
I don’t watch EWTN for Mass, I have beautiful daily Masses where I am.

It most of their other programming I have issus with. So no, I am not being hypocritical.
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I see. Your life is bless so others must not need a daily mass on TV. I guess this EWTN program teaching scripture is one of those other programs you have issues with.

 
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What is your problem? :roll_eyes:

I don’t like EWTN. I much prefer Bishop Barron and Fr. Mike.
 
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The walls of the Vatican never did it much good, and between the fall of the Western Empire and the Frankish kings began to guarantee Rome’s protection, those walls did not stop any significant hostile force. What guarantees the Vatican’s security is the Lateran Treaties; in other words, Italy guarantees the Vatican’s security and independence.

Frankly, I can’t see how anyone could defend the kind of nationalism that Bannon trumpets.
 
As an immigrant myself, I take issue with lumping us legal immigrants with illegal immigrants.

There is a difference.
 
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