Steve Bannon goes after Pope Francis

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The Vatican did take in refugees rescued from Lesbos a couple of years ago, into Vatican residences and assisted their assimilation into Italy.
 
I stand by my previous statement. It would be wonderful if I am proven wrong over the next several years, but sadly I do not believe that will be the case. I have heard the promises, and seen the reality. We are no longer in the position to accept the promises without seeing the real change. At this point, it would be irresponsible to do so.
 
Same here. But unfortunately too many people do pay attention to him.
 
JimmyTolder said:
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TheLittleLady:
One is to allow individuals or non-profit groups to sponsor families.
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Funny how every solution to the problem of too many immigrants is always “more immigration”.
I fail to see how this “solves” anything.
De facto open borders is always the end goal. Proponents know that open borders are unpopular so they don’t say those words, but they actively fight any effort to secure the border, limit immigration, or deport illegal aliens.
Follow the money. Corporations get cheap labor, boomers get high housing prices so their “nest egg” house sells for exorbitant prices, and religious/non-profit groups get billions from the government to manage the “refugees”.
Buzzwords like “compassion” are never applied to the native citizens.
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You paint a worst motives scenario of our interest in providing refuge to people from other places. I’m motivated by the thought that that could be me trying to live and raise my children in poverty and violence. We who were born in great countries aren’t special in any way. It’s impossible not feel both gratitude for our lot and responsibility towards those who aren’t as fortunate.
 
CilladeRoma said:
Why do so many think that Francis must fix this immediately when his predecessors really did nothing?
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You don’t think the problem needs to be fixed immediately?

You have no idea what damage the crisis is doing to the Church. It is hemorrhaging members.

Francis’ predecessors began a number of remedies some of which were reversed by him. McCarrick is a perfect example. He was returned to duty by Pope Francis after a forced resignation under Pope Benedict. Hundreds of thousands of dollars in financial settlements were paid out between 2006 and 2009 to the abuse victims of McCarrick by dioceses where he held office. Yet he was reinstated and called back into various sensitive functions by Pope Francis. Why?
 
What I mean is the problem didn’t happen overnight, it will not be solved overnight and it is unfair to expect immediate results, exactly to our liking from the man who had the whole thing dumped in his lap.

I mean, for the love of God, can’t we cut Pope Francis just a bit of slack. 😒:roll_eyes:
 
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It’s not so much that he’s saying it, but rather the implications in his actions. He’s setting himself in direct opposition to the papacy, when we should be obedient even as we question.

I also feel like Pope Francis’ response to the current crises is woefully inadequate, but I’m not going to set myself in a position to condemn and attack him, as this man appears to be doing.
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While you are free to take that view, others, including Catholics are free to be as critical of the church leaders in matters of (mal-) administration as the circumstances, fairly viewed, allow.

I didn’t hear Bannon set himself in”direct opposition to the papacy” - and I’m not even sure what that would look like.
 
There’s a wonderful anecdote by Peter Stone in Law and Order SVU Season 20 on the subject of reuniting one of the separated refugee children with her detained mother.

Commenting on the magnitude of the problem, Peter tells a story of visiting with his grandfather on Rhode Island and seeing the new turtles hatching high on the shore. The tide suddenly turned and it was obvious that hundreds of little turtles would perish. Despairing that they were all going to die, Peter tells how his grandfather picked up one turtle and carried it down to the water. “This one won’t” He repeats the process “This one won’t”.

If we all do what we can do it all makes a difference.
 
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You paint a worst motives scenario of our interest in providing refuge to people from other places.
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Are you a politician? If not then I assume your motives are irrelevant. You’ve probably got great “motives” like compassion (only toward the alien though) and have been bamboozled by the elites who honestly couldn’t care less about the plight of parents or their children.
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I live in a democracy and that makes my voice relevant. The rest of that is just baseless errant speculation.
The daughters of Eve have tended to inherit her tendency toward being decieved.
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Lol.
 
My community has had an huge outpouring of help to the immigrants who have been released by ICE and are awaiting arrangements to travel to their sponsors in the US. This has largely been spearheaded by Catholic Community services. Once, ICE released 1100 immigrants to our shelters in one day. It’s pretty amazing to see what people of good will can accomplish by their own determination.
 
This news presentation makes me very suspicious. ban on said nothing about nationalism on there, nnationalism was the news commentator’s description.

I have been peripherally involved in a couple of those big news stories like Dateline. They come and take hours of interviews. They photograph very carefully to make the picture show what they want to protray. Don’t like the guy? The photos will be terrible.

Then they carefully edit a few minutes out of the hours of interviewing, and thay’s what we see. On one of the occasions that I knew some of the people involved, they made it look like one interviewee was saying the exact opposite of what he believed.

So to me, any piece can be a hit piece. I do not trust the news.

This appears to be the home page of the organization: http://www.dignitatishumanae.com/index.php/home/ for anyone who is interested.
 
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This news presentation makes me very suspicious. ban on said nothing about nationalism on there, nnationalism was the news commentator’s description.
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I’ve just been researching Bannon as not being American I’m not that familiar with him and I’m astounded at his extreme ideology and how he is so freely touting it as a supposed Catholic voice.

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The descriptions are still those of news commentators rather than Bannon.

Now, I am not sure about Bannon–I can’t say that there’s no way he would do what they are describing, but the way the press has been vilifying people who do not think as they do leads me to question whether Bannon is what they say, or whether he has been vilified for disagreeing with them.

For that matter, I do not know that Hungary is in the wrong. I do not know their precise position and I do not know their reasoning.

As to other so-called “right-wing extremists” among the politicians in Europe, I think questioning the admission of so many badly-vetted “migrants” is reasonable, but when any such expression is denigrated to the point of extinguishment, the reasonable people can be caught up with tbhe less-reasonable as the only alternative.

An interesting article opens this thread. It is about how we react to various types of presentations of information. I believe the media takes advantage of these tendencies to inflame people so as to sell more advertising by setting their news forth in more divisive ways.

Divide and conquer.
 
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anna said:
You are Peter and upon this rock I will build My church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. ’
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Amen! Notice how in this scripture passage, the (wall &) gates are surrounding Hell, NOT the Church. The Church was established with a mission in this passage…tear down those gates (& wall)!!! & the Church was given the very power of Christ through this promise of this passage to do just that!!!
 
CilladeRoma said:
What I mean is the problem didn’t happen overnight, it will not be solved overnight and it is unfair to expect immediate results, exactly to our liking from the man who had the whole thing dumped in his lap.

I mean, for the love of God, can’t we cut Pope Francis just a bit of slack. :roll_eyes::roll_eyes:
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6 years isn’t immediate. To be fair Pope Benedict also had plenty of time and my response to his recent statement had been why didn’t you do anything about it? However Pope Francis reinstating McCarrick is a concern. Though Pope Benedict should have made things public when he imposed the sanctions. At latest when Pope Francis removed them.

I think it’s being addressed, but at the local level.
 
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