Steve Bannon goes after Pope Francis

[CilladeRoma]

No, not semantics.
If Benedict wanted sanctions, there is no doubt in my mind he would have imposed them. He had no problem doing it to countless others, especially theologians he disagreed with.
This situation highlights the problem of clericalism very clearly.

 

[Wife.of.Gabriel]

The Catholic Church Jesus established is beyond Global, it’s Universal - so clearly Jesus is not a Nationalist, He’s a Universalist.

It sounds like you’ve already embraced the right-wing nationalist ideology which Bannon has been actively promoting for quite some time. Will you be joining his new anti-Catholic movement Bannon’s just established?

Everyone has freewill to choose to get closer to or further away from the Jesus and His Universal Church.

The choice is clear, this latest Anti-Christ named Bannon OR The True Christ named Jesus with the Church He established with the Pope selected under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit named Francis.

I know Who’s side I’m on.

 

[Sarcelle]

Looking at the posts, I get the notion that people take issue with the fact that we can’t help everyone who comes here looking for help.
It’s not like this country doesn’t help anyone who needs help.
It does and I have been involved in efforts to help refugees and asylum seekers get help.

It’s just that we can’t help everybody and I don’t think it’s going to change anytime soon.

 

[Feanor2]

They won’t fire Arroyo. He is very popular and his views align with many of EWTVs donors.

I suspect EWTN will move further right as time moves on- especially if the next Pope is not to their liking.

 

[CatholicSooner]

No, not semantics.
If Benedict wanted sanctions, there is no doubt in my mind he would have imposed them. He had no problem doing it to countless others, especially theologians he disagreed with.
This situation highlights the problem of clericalism very clearly.

They kicked him out of living in the seminary and told him he couldn’t say mass publically. Whether that was told to him verbally or officially doesn’t matter.

He was forbidden to do certain things by Benedict and allowed to do those things again with Francis.
“sanctions” were lifted. If you want to wade in semantics go ahead. Thats not the points.

 

[CatholicSooner]

The Catholic Church Jesus established is beyond Global, it’s Universal - so clearly Jesus is not a Nationalist, He’s a Universalist.

It sounds like you’ve already embraced the right-wing nationalist ideology which Bannon has been actively promoting for quite some time. Will you be joining his new anti-Catholic movement Bannon’s just established?

Everyone has freewill to choose to get closer to or further away from the Jesus and His Universal Church.

The choice is clear, this latest Anti-Christ named Bannon OR The True Christ named Jesus with the Church He established with the Pope selected under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit named Francis.

I know Who’s side I’m on.

You obviously know a lot about what Bannon is doing with calling him the antichrist.
Please list for me what he is planning to do because I haven’t seen anything except him stating he wants change.

 

[goout]

The Church is neither right nor left.
It starts with a seemingly beaten radical hanging from a government instrument of torture, and a small band of followers seemingly dispersed, perhaps disappointed that the political system was not overturned.

Christ doesn’t need political apologists, he needs faithful followers. It really distracts when secular social just types, and Raymond Arroyo types, both…think they have the true sense of the Church.

 

[CilladeRoma]

He was forbidden to do certain things by Benedict

Benedict’s own secretary said this is a gross misrepresentation of what actually happened.
No sanctions were imposed, so no sanctions could be lifted.

You can continue to perpetuate a lie, but I will not, especially when it paints Pope Francis is such a terrible light. One could almost come to believe that these lies are being perpetuated in an attempt to make Benedict look like the grieved party.

 

[CatholicSooner]

CatholicSooner:

He was forbidden to do certain things by Benedict

Benedict’s own secretary said this is a gross misrepresentation of what actually happened.
No sanctions were imposed, so no sanctions could be lifted.

You can continue to perpetuate a lie, but I will not, especially when it paints Pope Francis is such a terrible light. One could almost come to believe that these lies are being perpetuated in an attempt to make Benedict look like the grieved party.

and there are others that say there were sanctions imposed. Again, it is all in semantics. Do you honestly think a Pope would just tell him to “lay low”. No, he is going to go into detail about what he can and cannot do anymore. Some of his “rights” were taken away.

And your last statement is just so so wrong. Making Benedict look like a grieved party? Nobody is trying to do that. It is about the victims! I don’t care if Benedict feels grieved. I care about what is justice for the victims. And if Pope Benedict, JP2, Francis, etc was actively covering up for known pedophiles and rapists, justice needs to be served. I don’t care if it is a man on the street or the Pope himself, they should be punished.

 

[YourNameHere]

Bannon is against all immigration, legal or otherwise. Listen to his speeches and read what he has written. The irony is that America is a national of immigrants. Only Native Americans can claim to be actual Americans.

 

[goout]

Bannon is against all immigration, legal or otherwise. Listen to his speeches and read what he has written. The irony is that America is a national of immigrants. Only Native Americans can claim to be actual Americans.

Native Americans are actually native to somewhere else, if I remember my anthropology correctly. Maybe we are all immigrants. On that basis, being an American must have some objective basis, and should not be exclusive of those that came later. Because if you exclude say…European iimmigrants but not those who were here before, that is still exclusion. Exclusion is not good.

 

[SeekSalvation]

Bannon is against all immigration, legal or otherwise. Listen to his speeches and read what he has written. The irony is that America is a national of immigrants. Only Native Americans can claim to be actual Americans.

Without proof you make an accusation about a person who can’t defend himself. If I made the statement you just posted I would consider it a mortal sin on my soul because it violates a Commandment.

 

[o_mlly]

I think it important to separate what Bannon actually said from that which the somewhat aggravated NBC reporter said about Bannon.

I find only 4 sound bites from Bannon in the interview. The rest is Engels, the NBC reporter, giving his opinion on Bannon and Bannon’s movement.

1. The administrative apparatus of the church has to change.
2. My [Bannon’s} problem with the pope today is about this crisis in pedophilia, that they are not treating this like a crisis.
3. He [Francis] is constantly coming back and putting all the faults of the world on this nationalist populist movement.
4. This institution needs change, this institution is in decline.

Working in reverse order:

Point 4 is factual.

Point 3. Although rhetorically hyperbolic in using the word “all”, the comment does reflect the Pope’s publicly expressed attitude on immigration problems. Other threads in this forum indicate many, but not all, serious practicing Catholics agree with Bannon.

Point 2. Bannon uses the plural pronoun “they” which indicates he is not singling out Francis but the Curia, the bishops and past popes for not managing the pedophilia debacle as a crisis. Is it a crisis? Yes, certainly a crisis of faith in our institution’s integrity and the issue is hardly over as some prelates suggest. The financial crisis on our dioceses has just begun. The class action lawyers have the scent and are now beating the drum to enlist clients. The Church has deep pockets but the potential awards may very well bankrupt many dioceses in this country alone.

Point 1. Read Point 2. Be prepared for a new kind of second collection at Mass in the near future.

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[rose321]

Notice

Respectfully pondering on notice the words …I Will… build My Eklessia ( church) and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it …
The word …it… being my Eklessia… means…my assembly, my congregation, my gathering, my body of believers?

Who has the ultimate infinite power is head over and states… I Will…build and the gates will not be against …who?>> God himself?
St Peter is not going to live on earth for ever is he? Died in 64 AD right?
God who sees all, knows all …knows our beginning and our end right?

Our Heavenly Father never dies, creator is an infinite Spiritual Eternal Being who created all that is seen, not seen, within his Word…has stated I will build my eklessia… he will fulfill… his eternal plan of salvation for all…at work till this very day, is he not?

Gates of Hell…holds those within in bondage?
He comes to set us free…take us out of bondage from those who hold the power to hold us within?
Babylon had a gate holding many nations of people in bondage within did they not?

Did God not choose and sent King Cyrus to set all his people free, those being held in bondage in Babylon?:
Interesting also King Cyrus god was Ahura Mazda…right? face_with_hand_over_mouth:

By the very infinite power of God who promised King Cyrus the gates would be opened for… King Cyrus when he arrived?

As far as Bannon have to read up on him and his reasons in doing so …why?.

Just opinion is all and when studying researching…questioning and examining…ancient historical recordings.

…God has a long history of choosing those who are thought of as being insignificant to accomplish the impossible right ?

Opinion only questioning and examining it all…Peace…

 

[Sarcelle]

Is he a white ethno nationalist who believes that the US is for white Christians only?

 

[twf]

The Church has always been globalist in a sense. She promoted the Holy Roman Empire, a Pan-European super-national confederacy, for centuries…to give one example.

 

[Jbrady]

He considers being called a racist a “badge of honor”. His own words.

For the States, he’s pretty much on the ultra-right fringe of the Alt-right, and a major figure in that movement.

 

[Sarcelle]

Surely he must know that racism is not a Catholic virtue.

 

[CatholicSooner]

He considers being called a racist a “badge of honor”. His own words.

For the States, he’s pretty much on the ultra-right fringe of the Alt-right, and a major figure in that movement.

completely taken out of context.

And he isn’t against immigration

 

[CatholicSooner]

I think it important to separate what Bannon actually said from that which the somewhat aggravated NBC reporter said about Bannon.

I find only 4 sound bites from Bannon in the interview. The rest is Engels, the NBC reporter, giving his opinion on Bannon and Bannon’s movement.

1. The administrative apparatus of the church has to change.
2. My [Bannon’s} problem with the pope today is about this crisis in pedophilia, that they are not treating this like a crisis.
3. He [Francis] is constantly coming back and putting all the faults of the world on this nationalist populist movement.
4. This institution needs change, this institution is in decline.

Working in reverse order:

Point 4 is factual.

Point 3. Although rhetorically hyperbolic in using the word “all”, the comment does reflect the Pope’s publicly expressed attitude on immigration problems. Other threads in this forum indicate many, but not all, serious practicing Catholics agree with Bannon.

Point 2. Bannon uses the plural pronoun “they” which indicates he is not singling out Francis but the Curia, the bishops and past popes for not managing the pedophilia debacle as a crisis. Is it a crisis? Yes, certainly a crisis of faith in our institution’s integrity and the issue is hardly over as some prelates suggest. The financial crisis on our dioceses has just begun. The class action lawyers have the scent and are now beating the drum to enlist clients. The Church has deep pockets but the potential awards may very well bankrupt many dioceses in this country alone.

Point 1. Read Point 2. Be prepared for a new kind of second collection at Mass in the near future.

Catholic Dioceses See Litigation Uptick in Wake of Grand Jury Sex-Abuse Report
In the past few weeks, a dozen suits have been filed against the Roman Catholic Diocese of Pittsburgh, 20 suits were filed against a Connecticut diocese, two class action suits were filed in federal court against the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, and many other individual actions have been filed against dioceses in Pennsylvania and across the country.

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INJURY ATTORNEYS FOR VICTIMS OF PRIEST AND CLERGY SEXUAL ABUSE

CHICAGO, April 1, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) — The Archdiocese of Chicago is using proceeds from its cemetery system to help pay down its sizable settlement debt from clergy sexual abuse, a new report says.
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The Chicago archdiocese currently owes roughly $200 million from sex abuse settlements …

THANK YOU!

I’ve asked several times for someone that is condemning Bannon to actually list what he is planning to do. Nobody can b/c he hasn’t really said anything that should be upsetting.