Still ripping on Covington Catholic

[gracepoole]

I don’t concern myself much with what others are wearing to Mass, as long as it’s not sexually provocative. I’m not a member of the Mass fashion police force.

Nor am I. But claiming that you have to wear a hoodie to Mass because it’s cold out doesn’t quite square with reality.

People might well claim that wearing a shirt with a political slogan to Mass is appropriate and they can’t believe that fellow Catholics wouldn’t support the message or candidate being highlighted on the shirt. But like every other group, Catholics aren’t a hive mind. They often hold different points of view. Wearing a shirt to Mass that advertises one’s views invites others to share theirs.

As far as any professed Catholic who is still triggered by Covington Catholic, or by any other Catholic high school name or logo? That’s their problem.
Maybe the lady I mentioned in the original post will get herself up to date with the Covington story and learn how very misinformed she is. Hope so.

Yes, hopefully. But posting here isn’t likely to affect her thinking.

 

[prayerrider]

To what political slogan are you referring?
As far as my Catholic apparel, I’ve received a number of compliments. Including from two priests. Works for me.

 

[gracepoole]

To what political slogan are you referring?

I wasn’t. It was a hypothetical example. It could be any political slogan.

As far as my Catholic apparel, I’ve received a number of compliments. Including from two priests. Works for me.

It’s never been my goal to receive compliments on my apparel while at Mass. But to each his own.

 

[Irishmom2]

But claiming that you have to wear a hoodie to Mass because it’s cold out doesn’t quite square with reality.

He never made that claim. He just said he wears hoodies in winter.

It is quite possible that that is what he wears and that is all he owns because that is what he likes wearing. Is it really the hoodie that annoys you that you are suggesting a suit?

 

[gracepoole]

gracepoole:

But claiming that you have to wear a hoodie to Mass because it’s cold out doesn’t quite square with reality.

He never made that claim. He just said he wears hoodies in winter.

It is quite possible that that is what he wears and that is all he owns because that is what he likes wearing. Is it really the hoodie that annoys you that you are suggesting a suit?

I suggested a suit because he said he’s cold and therefore wears hoodies to Mass:

When it’s warmer I’ll wear polos with collars, or a polo with a nice Catholic t shirt over it. I never wear shorts or sandals.
I often wear Catholic hoodies in winter. Not just to Mass, either–all over town.

Get rid of the hoodie, don a suit, and eliminate all potential confrontation.

Unless, of course, that’s what one’s after…

 

[Irishmom2]

Wow, get rid of the hoodie and wear a suit.

The fashion police has in fact arrived.

 

[gracepoole]

Wow, get rid of the hoodie and wear a suit.

The fashion police has in fact arrived.

I don’t care whether he wears a giraffe costume to Mass. But when we choose the clothing, we invite the responses. This is reality not the “fashion police.”

 

[prayerrider]

Personal remarks and insinuations. Sorry, I’m unflappable here. Go in peace.

 

[gracepoole]

Personal remarks and insinuations.

 

[prayerrider]

He never made that claim. He just said he wears hoodies in winter.

Exactly. It’s more like, great! It’s finally cool enough to wear my Catholic hoodies!
I do wear a suit coat sometimes when I assist at the Traditional Latin Mass. Definitely a collared shirt. Because that’s the norm in that parish. In other local parishes, it’s pretty casual. But if somebody wants to buy me a new a suit jacket, great! So long as it’s blue, like a sport blazer. This shade of blue. With the words “Covington Catholic” or “CovCath Colonels” embroidered on the breast pocket.
I will wear the daylights out of that jacket! I’ll even wear it to my secular job sites, where I almost always have something Catholic on.
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[yankeesouth]

I don’t know if she’s Catholic? Sad if she is and still buys the false narrative. Please pray for her.

Shouldn’t be surprising if she is though. There were a few liberal clergy that attacked these children so no surprise that liberals in general would.

 

[prayerrider]

I didn’t hear about it until the next day, as I recall. But I was skeptical, knowing how virulently biased the MSM is. By Monday, the true story was emerging.
I can only guess this woman made up her mind in the first 24 hours and either ignored subsequent information or refused to believe it. When she started telling me how the CovCath boys abused that poor Native American man, I was rather amazed.
If I see her again I’ll ask her nicely if she has corrected her understanding, if she’s aware that even their own bishop apologized for jumping to conclusions.
I find it disturbing that any Catholic would immediately assume the worst about Catholic youth, much less refuse to believe the truth when it comes to light.

 

[prayerrider]

I did chide Fr. James Martin SJ on his FB page for his delay in retracting his condemnation of the CovCath boys. Within 15 minutes, he did. Not saying it was my post that encouraged him, probably just coincidence. And his retraction was rather weak, I thought. Not quite backhanded, but lacking humility, maybe.

 

[HarryStotle]

But when we choose the clothing, we invite the responses.

Blaming the victim?

Seems a bit contrary to what you have claimed in the past.

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I’m pretty sure I’ve never had it either, with the caveat that I’m not sure what such an urge would feel like if I was having it, so I may have unknowingly had one, and that I can’t honestly say that I can recall every urge I’ve had. Of course, if nothing else, unless you actually raped a woman, you controlled this urge. And given that I’ve pointed out that other men categorically deny having such an urge, I think we can safely say it isn’t felt by all men. So we’re back to this: So if it…

That thread is teeming with your insistence that the confronter is ALWAYS responsible.

Oh, dear God in heaven, no it doesn’t. That’s like claiming that a woman is complicit in domestic violence by angering her husband.

So if it isn’t a natural drive for all men to rape, it is quite possible for them not to rape. Again: they’re not driven to rape by women who act lewd or drink, who dress inappropriately, etc. Those who do rape are solely responsible for their actions.

Quick question: does every man feel the compulsion to rape?
Quick follow-up question: can men combat this compulsion or is it simply a biological drive to rape?

Sooo, to be consistent, shouldn’t you be stating that those who feel a compulsion
to confront someone wearing “the hoodie” ought to “combat this compulsion,” or, should we ask if you think it “is… simply a biological drive” to engage in political confrontation?

Your advice, then – to be consistent – would be for potential rape victims to
"Get rid of the hoodie, [not act lewd or drink, …dress inappropriately, etc.], but instead “don a suit, and eliminate all potential confrontation.”

Unless, of course, [as you asked upthread] “that’s what one’s after…”

Now clearly, wearing a hoodie is nothing like being raped, but the principle seems the same in both instances, no?

Isn’t it up to the confronter to control their impulse, whether that be to rip on Covington Catholic, engage someone politically for wearing attire, or something far more morally serious?

 

[EmmaSowl]

Not quite backhanded, but lacking humility, maybe.

If I recall properly, Fr. Martin’s “apology” still included victim blaming for the hats.

I love that you wear these, and I’ve been wanting to wear one, too. Glad to hear they’re so cheap. I’ve been waiting until my tax return comes to purchase Vigano T-shirts from Taylor Marshall in every liturgical color. (Those are not so cheap).

The funny thing is that Marshall would probably discourage people from wearing them to Mass, lol.

My thoughts on proper Mass apparel keep evolving. Shortly after my conversion I was convinced that it was best to dress for a king. A big part of me still agrees with that.

However, I am also a mentally/emotionally challenged woman (doctor certified) who develops muscle cramps from nylons and heels. I could probably suck it up if I also didn’t mentally/emotionally tense up from drum solos at Mass.

So, upon observing all the T-shirts and jeans at my parish (btw, I love T-shirts and jeans), I’ve chosen a Mass uniform: loose cargo pants and a T-shirt in the liturgically correct color.

Not having Covington/Vigano options in the past, I had my own T-shirts printed. The first said: “heart” the Mass; “heart” the GIRM on the front (“heart” was a heart symbol); the back said: Adult Convert from Atheism. I now have a shirt with a different saying in every liturgical color.

(My purple shirt for the Year of Mercy says “Grant us the mercy of the GIRM so that we may be one”).

Yes, I absolutely was trying to provoke dialogue with parishioners. Why? Because speaking to pastors in my diocese about liturgical obedience proved to be a complete non-starter.

Unfortunately, in my parish (where everyone is uber nice) the only conversation sparked was about what a great person I was for converting. I am not a great person. I am simply dang lucky that God smacked me with truth - just like every cradle Catholic is dang lucky to be born into the true faith.

But Covington and Vigano are words that might break through. I have learned that the average Catholic in my diocese either does not know (or care) what the GIRM is - or knows and dismisses it.

It is much harder to dismiss an innocent 16-year-old Catholic who behaved exactly like Jesus would have (or meeker).

Thank you for your example. And thank you for preparing me for the fact that there will be Catholics who hate someone who imitates Christ as Nick Sandmann did.

 

[prayerrider]

Fascinating that any Catholic could see showing open support for bullied and vilified Catholic schoolboys as making a political statetement. But surely no one is implying that.

 

[gracepoole]

Fascinating that any Catholic could see showing open support for bullied and vilified Catholic schoolboys as making a political statetement. But surely no one is implying that.

No one has. Instead an analogy was offered. Perhaps it wasn’t clear?

 

[prayerrider]

If I recall properly, Fr. Martin’s “apology” still included victim blaming for the hats.

Yes, it seemed that way. A perfunctory, sort-of apology followed by a long diatribe against red hats.

 

[gracepoole]

Was prayerrider assaulted?

 

[gracepoole]

EmmaSowl:

If I recall properly, Fr. Martin’s “apology” still included victim blaming for the hats.

Yes, it seemed that way. A perfunctory, sort-of apology followed by a long diatribe against red hats.

I will say that thankfully, there were others who owned their mistake far more comprehensively and graciously, at least in my own circle. Those folks went up tenfold in my estimation.