Still ripping on Covington Catholic

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Love that GIRM shirt! And your liturgical color coordinating…
 
gracepoole said:
Was prayerrider assaulted?
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The principle is the same, no?

You are basically stating that he ought not provoke anyone with a proclivity to engage politically to do so by wearing a hoodie.

So where does the responsibility for not confronting others lie?

You seem to hold that no matter how lewd, out of control drunk, or provocatively dressed, a woman is NEVER responsible for bringing on unwanted behaviour.

Okay, premise accepted.

Now, let’s make the case for political confrontation. No matter what article of clothing someone wears, by your own premise, the wearer is never to be held responsible for bringing on a confrontation precipitated by the confronter/agent.

Perhaps mere discussion would be fine, but here we are speaking of being confronted and/or reprimanded merely for appearing to take a political stand by wearing an article of clothing.

What if @prayerrider was actually from Covington High School, would the woman have had the “right” to confront him? Should any Catholic high school students not be permitted to wear school attire to Mass? Seems a bit overboard, no?

Also, seems inconsistent with your previous position.
 
She didn’t assault me physically, no. Though it did appear that she was waiting for me in the lobby to finish my after-Mass prayers and come out. Maybe not, I don’t know. She seemed very agitated. I was really quite surprised, and just wanted to get away from her.
 
The assaulter is always at fault. If an assault has taken place, of course.
 
She sounds unhinged. That she’s thinking about confronting you after Mass while receiving the Eucharist is bizarre to me.

My suggestion that you dress differently at Mass would eliminate confrontations like this one. However, if you want to be confronted or you want to publicize support for Covington, maybe come up with a prepared response should this happen again? “I’m sorry you, as a fellow Catholic, feel this way. I stand with the Covington students because they were unjustly maligned. I would be happy to share with you how I arrived at this conclusion if you’re ever up for a friendly conversation.”
 
See, this is like saying the Covington kid was “assaulted” and as I’ve said before in other threads, I reject that theory. He wasn’t assaulted and he didn’t assault anyone. It’s not ipso facto assault because someone vehemently disagrees with me.
 
gracepoole said:
See, this is like saying the Covington kid was “assaulted” and as I’ve said before in other threads, I reject that theory. He wasn’t assaulted and he didn’t assault anyone. It’s not ipso facto assault because someone vehemently disagrees with me.
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You are engaged in muddying the water here. We were speaking of the incident at the church @prayerrider attended, not the “Covington kid.”

However, since you brought it up, yes the “Covington kid” was indeed assaulted – his person, his reputation, his future prospects, his family ties, his friendships, and his beliefs – among a number of other considerations – would have suffered greatly had no one come forward to defend him and upload a complete video. The fact that a number of lawsuits are pending implies his lawyers have taken the assault on him seriously.
 
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gracepoole:
See, this is like saying the Covington kid was “assaulted” and as I’ve said before in other threads, I reject that theory. He wasn’t assaulted and he didn’t assault anyone. It’s not ipso facto assault because someone vehemently disagrees with me.
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You are engaged in muddying the water here. We were speaking of the incident at the church @prayerrider attended, not the “Covington kid.”

However, since you brought it up, yes the “Covington kid” was indeed assaulted – his person, his reputation, his future prospects, his family ties, his friendships, and his beliefs – among a number of other considerations – would have suffered greatly had no one come forward to defend him and upload a complete video. The fact that a number of lawsuits are pending implies his lawyers have taken the assault on him seriously.
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Actually, thanks to you, we were speaking of assault and its definition. As we disagree there, I’d say it’s probably wise to politely part ways. God bless.
 
It’s best not to wear clothes with names or phrases involved in controversial news, as that will only agitate others.
 
prayerrider said:
More to the point–why would any informed Catholic still cling to the utterly false narrative about the Covington Catholic boys behaving badly?
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What often happens in news stories is that people form their opinions right away, and they often don’t change their mind no matter what evidence is presented. That’s just basic psychology at work. People don’t like to admit that they are wrong.

Further, most people don’t follow all the ins and outs of a given story. For many, they saw the initial story, formed an opinion, and they don’t feel the need to revisit it because they already think they know the whole story.

You wished her well and went on your way. There’s not much else to do.
 
It would be great if the same amount of support is given to your parish/local Catholic school as to one made “famous”.
 
Does supporting Covington Catholic HS preclude supporting more local Catholic schools…or vice versa? Are the two supporting efforts mutually exclusive?
 
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As far as I’m concerned the only issue with Covington Catholic is people, particularly Catholics, who are still condemning those students. That’s flat out wrong
 
prayerrider said:
As far as I’m concerned the only issue with Covington Catholic is people, particularly Catholics, who are still condemning those students. That’s flat out wrong
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The way I look at it, such people are not so much condemning the students as the ideas that they mistakenly assign to those students: racism, disrespect, etc. Maybe they don’t have all the facts. Or maybe they don’t believe all the facts.

For me, the whole ordeal is a case study in why we shouldn’t jump to conclusions when a news story goes viral.
 
ralfyman said:
It’s best not to wear clothes with names or phrases involved in controversial news, as that will only agitate others.
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So, you advocate silence from those who hold “controversial” views on the grounds that those who are prone to become agitated should always be assuaged?

Perhaps the solution, then, is for conservatives to become even more quickly provoked and agitated than those on the left, so then you will advise those on the left – who have hitherto become instantly and perpetually provoked – to switch places and become the agitators rather than the agitated.

Ergo, the active left ought to be told to tone down their rhetoric – calling others racist, homophobic, and transphobic; protesting by carrying signs and shouting slogans, holding gay pride parades, etc., etc., because THEY are agitating others who disagree with them.

Is that your point?

Or is only one side of the culture war supposed to go quiet, so as not to agitate others?
 
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It’s not so much being silent or assuaging others but finding other ways to encourage people to think clearly about an issue without provoking them.

This is particularly important when the person who is affected might even be a fellow Mass participant and Catholic.

Given that, I think it’s better if people don’t wear clothes containing slogans or anything connected to what is currently controversial, or even things that advertise commercial products and personalities, at least at Mass. Their Sunday best would be much better.

Finally, if there should be any debate on this matter, it should involve a formal and moderated meeting of parishioners, and hopefully with prayers for both sides, and before and after the meeting.
 
If seeing a Covington Catholic garment is offensive to any Catholic, the offended party needs to pause and ask herself why she feels offended, and what could possibly be offensive to her as a Catholic about the name of a Catholic school whose students were viciously attacked by MSM, the internet mob, and even fellow Catholics.
 
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