Story: "Louisiana Church Uses Crop Duster/Plane To Spray Holy Water"

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QwertyGirl said:
You see? Everyone is not the same, and that is OK. It is why we shouldn’t assume everyone want holy water spread over the place where they live and work.
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Except that isn’t how democracy works.

I live next to a badly designed boulevard that is frequently congested. The city doesn’t have to instantly change it just because some people don’t like it.

I might not like my neighbor’s music walking by but unless it’s past curfew or they are blasting it, they’re not doing anything wrong.

If we really want to take your criteria to its logical conclusion, almost nothing is legal or acceptable. Religious congregations would be huddled in private places like in Saudi Arabia, and even that isn’t a guarantee.
 
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We aren’t talking about the democratic process. We are talking about being respectful of others’ beliefs. One really has nothing to do with the other in this situation.
 
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Do you think Church’s should be allowed to ring bells?

Or let’s go deeper than that. What if there is a place of public worship and Christians are singing songs that a pedestrian can hear while walking by? You might think these examples are ridiculous but these are actual real life examples of people citing “freedom from religion” which is essentially a passive-aggressive way to almost completely shut down religion in any public sphere.

Rural communities are pretty pragmatic. They’re not hosing the town down. They’re not dumping water over the town on a daily basis. If a large group of locals organized and were upset by it, I’m guessing the parish wouldn’t do it again. Local communities and local governments are allowed to figure these things out on their own and they don’t necessarily need a 3rd party outsider intruding and being offended on their behalf.
 
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LOL. Actually it is funny you bring that up. The air was thick with incense at the funeral I referenced. Several got sick from it and left the service before it was over. In addition to that, the Bishop felt the need to sing a lot of the Mass, and his voice was terrible. The deceased person would have been having a fit if she knew. She hated that stuff.

However, I digress. Still having a hard time believing you and the other posters can’t grasp that making a decision to disperse holy water over an entire geographical area isn’t the same as walking past a church and hearing Christian singing, or finding oneself in the position of stepping away when the incense is too thick at a funeral one elects to attend in a Catholic Church. Seems I won’t be able to convice differently, so I am going to leave the discussion at this point.
 
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Lenny said:
What are you taking about. They do it all the time. People in food plants, clothing plants, developers of media put spells on our goods regularly.
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Would you please post documentation of this from a verifiable source?
 
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Just speaking for myself and myself alone: I definitely think leaving a pamphlet on my door is exceedingly more intrusive than something happening in the sky above me that I literally wouldn’t be aware of unless I read an article about it.

And I couldn’t care less about somebody leaving a pamphlet on my door. If I had to shovel them into my trashcan I would become irritated, but common sense goes a long way.
 
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TK421 said:
Just speaking for myself and myself alone: I definitely think leaving a pamphlet on my door is exceedingly more intrusive than something happening in the sky above me that I literally wouldn’t be aware of unless I read an article about it.
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You make my point. You find pamphlets intrusive. There may be a variety of reasons why you find the pamphlet on your door instrusive. Only you know what they are unless you share them. They are personal.

Everyone is different. There may be some people who don’t mind pamphlets at all. There may be some who think they are the worse thing around.

We should respect the fact that not everyone has the same spiritual beliefs. It doesn’t get more personal than spiritual beliefs. It is why holy water shouldn’t be spread over an entire town, and it is also why pamphlets shouldn’t be used to litter the doorsteps of people who don’t want them. See?
 
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@QwertyGirl

For what it’s worth, I try very hard to understand other people, though I admit maybe I’m not always successful at it. I genuinely want to understand your point of view.

I like to consider things in the broader perspective and I take things to their logical conclusion. In this case, I think your criteria would lead to a world where nonreligious people are 1st tier citizens and everybody else is subhuman.
 
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The Catholic Church isn’t an organization which gets to decide the spiritual beliefs of everyone. This is where you seem to not be understanding. What that has to do with someone being autistic and 99% of society, I don’t know. I get the sense you aren’t understanding because you choose not to.

Being respectful of others would include not pushing your religious beliefs on them. That includes not conducting the holy water cropduster stunt.
 
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@QwertyGirl

For what it’s worth, I try very hard to understand other people, though I admit maybe I’m not always successful at it. I genuinely want to understand your point of view because it makes me wiser, and deliberately trying not to understand makes me dumber.

I like to consider things in the broader perspective and I take things to their logical conclusion. In this case, I think your criteria would lead to a world where nonreligious people are 1st tier citizens and everybody else is subhuman.
 
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TK421 said:
In this case, I think your criteria would lead to a world where nonreligious people are 1st tier citizens and everybody else is subhuman.
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I don’t know how you come to this conclusion. I am one of the most inclusive people you will ever meet. It is my mission. I live in a large urban area where there is much diversity, especially in the realm of faith and religion. I have no problem with someone practicing their faith till the cows come home. I do have a problem with people who believe it is OK to include others in their faith traditions when they don’t want to or haven’t been given an option.

That is all. I believe faith is a good thing. But I very much understand people are different, faiths are not all the same, and no one should be forced to receive aspects of another’s faith if they don’t wish to. That means you ask questions and get consent before doing public stunts like the holy water from the cropduster over an entire community.
 
And which recipient would that be? Haven’t seen one news story with a non Catholic complaining about a forced religious practice. Your speculation doesn’t count.
 
I this case, which is a rather unique event, yes. I assume it did not happen. I am fairly confident in that assumption.
 
Lenny said:
Secondly, the Catholic faith is the only true faith, so disrespecting another’s ‘faith’ is irrelevant when it comes to spiritual matters.
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Wow…that’s offensive…to both non-Christians and non-Catholic Christians… Guessing you’re not in the states.
 
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