Students attend school's first integrated prom

[rayne89]

Don’t those of you who are white care about how the white people are dying out (through low birthrates combined with immigration and immigrant demographics and interracial marriage)?

NO What??? The only people I thought that worried about such things is the KKK and the Aryan Nation.

Good grief.

 

[cor]

There were Africans and Native Americans here at the time of our country’s founding. Are you saying they don’t count because they weren’t citizents?

The Native Americans weren’t part of the emerging or nascent United States of America; they belonged to different nations (the Sioux nation etc). The Africans were not part of the political process that formed our nation. You could say they contributed economically though.

I already acknowledged that our culture’s history is “predominantly European.”

I guess we agree more than we realized

Big whoop. Our culture’s history is also predominantly Protestant, but that is changing too. Should I have more affection for Protestantism, since our culture was based on it?

You should have an appreciation for things like the Protestant work ethic – we learned about that in history class in school. It doesn’t mean you have to be Protestant any more than having appreciation for Europe means you have to become European.

Again, the countries in South and Central America were founded by Spaniards and Portuguese, so they are also European and part of Western Civilization. You should embrace the immigration from those countries. It is helping to keep us “pure.”

I think they are really new races which emerged from the mixing of the European and native and other populations. They are closer in culture and race to whites than say Africans though. Some kind of solution on a world wide scale needs to be made to preserve the white races. Having immigration from Latin America won’t preserve the white race; it will destroy it. Your point though brings up something we can agree on. In terms of the non-racial elements of culture alone, we can agree that it would be preferable as Pat Buchanan says to welcome a bunch of Englishmen versus a bunch of Zulus, the former being easier to assimilate culturally. The same would be true IMO in terms of a bunch of Englishmen versus a bunch of Brazilians (due for example to the language difference), but to a lesser degree.

Sorry for misunderstanding.

It’s alright

“Affection for one’s race” is a foreign concept to me. It makes no sense whatsoever.

Do you love your extended family? Well your race is just a larger extended family. People within your race are more related to you than people outside your race.

Being descended from a common pool of original ancestors should evoke sentiments of affection IMO.

 

[rlg94086]

The Native Americans weren’t part of the emerging or nascent United States of America; they belonged to different nations (the Sioux nation etc). The Africans were not part of the political process that formed our nation. You could say they contributed economically though.

Culture is made up of the groups of people as a whole, not the group in control of the political process.

You should have an appreciation for things like the Protestant work ethic – we learned about that in history class in school. It doesn’t mean you have to be Protestant any more than having appreciation for Europe means you have to become European.

So, I appreciate our European heritage. I also appreciate our Catholic heritage, African heritage, our Native American heritage, our Asian heritage, etc. I learned about all of them in history class in school. You must have slept through those parts.

I think they are really new races which emerged from the mixing of the European and native and other populations. They are closer in culture and race to whites than say Africans though. Some kind of solution on a world wide scale needs to be made to preserve the white races. Having immigration from Latin America won’t preserve the white race; it will destroy it. Your point though brings up something we can agree on. In terms of the non-racial elements of culture alone, we can agree that it would be preferable as Pat Buchanan says to welcome a bunch of Englishmen versus a bunch of Zulus, the former being easier to assimilate culturally. The same would be true IMO in terms of a bunch of Englishmen versus a bunch of Brazilians (due for example to the language difference), but to a lesser degree.

Your whole line of reasoning is just wrong and twisted. Culturally, there is nothing superior about an Englishman versus a Brazilian in America today. They both have similar, but different cultures in their home countries. Language can be learned.

Do you love your extended family? Well your race is just a larger extended family. People within your race are more related to you than people outside your race.

Being descended from a common pool of original ancestors should evoke sentiments of affection IMO.

Nonsense. My “race” is not at all like my extended family. Extended family can include people from every race. Should I reject my Sioux ancestors?

 

[rayne89]

Not having affection for one’s race is unnatural.

:doh2: Wow??? Ok I’m adopted. Apparently I’m white since I’m fair skinned. Not a clue what part of the world my biological parents came from. Probably european by my features but I really don’t know -and I honestly don’t care. My (adoptive) mother is 100% Italian, my (adoptive) dad 100% German. We went to Italian festivals and German festivals as my sister and I were growing up. They were fun. Lots of ethinic music, dancing, sausage. That’s natural affection for ones cultural background -ones country of origin. We also went to Polish festivals, Ukranian festivals ect just because they were interesting and fun.

Worrying about if there are not enough people of ones color of skin is not natural. The only people I have ever heard say such things happen to come from some of my hubby’s redneck side of the family where they also use ignorant, racist language. (disclaimer-not all rednecks are ignorant racists -I know many that are not.)

How do figure this is soooo unnatural since no one here seems to worry about this but you? That should probably clue you in that the problem is with you.

 

[anthony022071]

I used to be concerned about the same things that Cor is, but not any longer. Europeans,it seems, are slowly realizing that it is not enough to be merely tolerant and broad-minded,and relativistic, but they need to re-discover their own traditional,cultural heritage.The European countries developed along racial,(ultimately tribal),linguistic,lines.They each have antiquity and depth that Americans can’t relate to. In America,there is plenty of elbow room for groups of people to move around in,and not much in America is sacrosanct.Almost everything is renovatable and replaceable.
If one ethnic group floods into a certain part of town,then the ethic group that was already there can quietly pick up and move elsewhere;nothing really sacrosanct or precious has been lost.
That’s what happens in Chicago all the time,and everybody just gets over it.In Europe,there is not so much elbow room and there is a much more ancient attachment of particular ethnicities to particular areas. The French of Paris,for example, have much more to lose,more at stake with the influx of Muslims than,say,the Irish Americans of Chicago did when African-Americans from the south started to move in.Chicago turf is nothing for an ethnic group to get too passionate about,but Paris is.
In America we are uprooted and alienated from our respective European heritages to a large extent.The more urban,middle-class,and public school educated European-Americans have become,the more they have left behind the specifics of culture such as folk music and dance genres,story-telling and poetic traditions,crafts,
communality,a sense of ethnic brotherhood,religious holidays,and religion itself.We can’t directly relate to the culture that our own great grand-parents had. Culture is something we buy at a store or view at a museum or get by way of the mass media.The people who actually have real culture
are the people we tend to despise : hillbillies,rednecks,hicks,peasants. The ways and beliefs and lifestyles of our own ancestors from a hundred years ago seem
foreign,provincial,closed-minded to us. We might look back with sentimentality and nostalgia on the old ways and the old countries,and we might be tolerant of ,or vicariously enjoy, other cultures,but we’re far removed from all that.

 

[whatevergirl]

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with having separate proms for whites and blacks. There’s no Church teaching against it. Having separate proms encourages whites to marry within their own race and that’s important because almost everywhere where whites are ( ex. North America, Europe) the white race is being wiped out through immigration and interracial marriage. I’m not saying interracial marriage is a sin; I’m just saying it’s having a social, cultural consequence in terms of the survival of the white race. Natural law teaches us to love our “patria” – I think “patria” can extend to both one’s country and one’s race.

For those who don’t read the link, the link says that there was still a “white” prom in addition to the school prom. It also said that blacks were welcome at the “white” prom but that they don’t feel welcome so they don’t come.

um…errr…wow…I’m at a loss for words, for once.

 

[Cat]

My husband pointed something out.

Are you in favor of “diversity?” If so, then you will support forbidding interracial marriages. Interracial marriages will eventually mean the end of “diversity,” at least, when it comes to race.

Frankly, I’m not in favor of diversity if it means forbidding interracial marriages. I personally would love to see the entire world one color.

Am I way off here?

 

[anthony022071]

My husband pointed something out.

Are you in favor of “diversity?” If so, then you will support forbidding interracial marriages. Interracial marriages will eventually mean the end of “diversity,” at least, when it comes to race.

Frankly, I’m not in favor of diversity if it means forbidding interracial marriages. I personally would love to see the entire world one color.

Am I way off here?

Don’t you think that would be boring and bleak as all sin?

 

[Robert_Bay]

WARNING

Please don’t talk about other people of other races than your own as if they were objects or chattle. Promoting the purity of race is also highly offensive. You may not even realize you are talking in that fashion, but it is highly offensive. Please review your posts for charity before posting.

If you wish to review the subject, please see Charity and Banned Topics - Revised for specifics, or CAF rules for an overview, which are located in the Rules of the Road sub-forum.

If you have any questions, please send me a private message.

 

[cor]

I found a great article from Seattle Catholic on what the Church and her theologians teach about race. It cites the Dictionary of Moral Theology.

A Catholic Definition

A precise definition of racism is important, since it is a word that is even more misunderstood than egalitarianism. According to the Dictionary of Moral Theology:

Racism is a doctrine which asserts that race is the essential and initial factor in man’s refinement and in the historical and cultural evolution of all peoples.1

What is condemned by traditional theologians is not the recognition of “psychic and morphological differences between races” but the idea that posits something other than Jesus Christ and His Church as the basis of human culture. Every person has a soul worth saving, and baptism puts us all on a level playing field as far as spiritual and moral potential are concerned. Therefore, by stripping the word “racism” of its contemporary emotional baggage, it becomes clear that this race-based outlook, in its strictest sense, means more than just crude bigotry. It is a fundamentally materialist view of creation. Thus there cannot be a “good” form of racism any more than there can be a “benign” form of socialism.

As regards anthropological and genetic findings, the Church passes no judgment on scientific inquiries into race so long as they do not stray from the role of empirical observation and pass into ethical matters beyond their purview. Given the continually shifting views of scientific “doctrine” such an attitude is judicious. At one time racial diversity was held to be mainly the product of environment. In more recent generations, scientific hypotheses have favored genetics. Yet the latest findings suggest that genetics can actually be influenced by repetitive behavior. But whatever the cause of observable physical variations, the fundamental Catholic belief, as to the primacy of spirit and rejection of materialism-racism or egalitarianism-remains inalterable. This is because we are all descended from the same first parents. In this respect science actually comes to the rescue of traditional theology, positing that all human beings are related to a single common female ancestor (i.e. Eve), thereby vindicating the Biblical account of human genesis.

seattlecatholic.com/article_20031201.html

But how about we get back to the article? What does everyone think about how they still had a white prom and how the blacks didn’t feel welcome there? Why would the blacks not feel welcome? Here’s the relevant quote from the original article that started this thread:

The “white prom” still went on last week.

“We did everything like a regular prom just because we had already booked it,” said, Cheryl Nichols, 18, who attended the dance.
**
Nichole Royal, 18, said black students could have gone to the prom, but didn’t.**

“I guess they feel like they’re not welcome,” she said.

Nichols said while her parents were in support of the integrated prom, some of her friends weren’t allowed to go.

“If they’re not coming tonight it’s because either they had to work and they couldn’t get out of it or because their parents are still having an issue because they grew up in south Georgia,” she said.

“I’ve asked, ‘Why can’t you come?’ and they’re like, ‘My mommy and daddy – they don’t agree with being with the colored people,’ which I think is crazy,” she said.

Stone said he doesn’t plan to stop the private proms.

“That’s going to be up to the parents. That’s part of being in America. If they want to do that for the kids, then that’s fine,” he said.

cnn.com/2007/US/04/23/turner.prom/index.html

It seems like not all the whites went to the integrated school prom and that most of the whites still went to the white prom.

No one answered my question about what they think about the Congressional Black Caucus. That’s only for black people. If you are OK with them why would you not be OK with a club just for white people or a Congressional White Caucus. Same thing for NAACP and NAAWP. There shouldn’t be a double standard when it comes to the white race.

In any event it seems like this “white” prom was open to black people as the article says (quoting one of the white students). So this may be a case of the Mainstream Media misreporting about the nature of these “white” proms. Apparently blacks are welcome to come to them but they just prefer not to or they don’t feel welcome there for whatever reason.

 

[dawgfan]

The people who actually have real culture are the people we tend to despise : hillbillies,rednecks,hicks,peasants. The ways and beliefs and lifestyles of our own ancestors from a hundred years ago seem
foreign,provincial,closed-minded to us.

Closed minded the poster says?

Just for clarification. Who are the “we” that are doing the despising? And who are the “hillbillies,rednecks, hicks, peasants”?

 

[Timothy_486]

America is part of Western civilization which has its heartland in Europe. All our founding fathers were European. All the colonists and citizens were European. I can’t believe you won’t at least acknowledge a special, prime place for Europe in America’s culture and heritage.

Turkey is a part of Europe, do you consider Turkey “white?” Oh and my friend has a cousin who is 100% blooded Greek, yet his skin is olive black, is he “white” or not?

Sorry, but as a population biologist, I must correct you.

2 is indeed below replacement level. It would be replacement level if humans reproduced right away after being born. But they must survive to reach reproductive age, and in industrialized civilizations, that means a 2.1 rate is needed for replacement, given the mortality rate. Where conditions are less favourable to survival, the mortality rate is higher and a rate greater than 2.1 is needed for replacement.

Blessings,

Gerry

Alright then, in that case France still stands at having growth since they are, as of last year, 2.3

 

[Lance]

Turkey is a part of Europe, do you consider Turkey “white?” Oh and my friend has a cousin who is 100% blooded Greek, yet his skin is olive black, is he “white” or not?

Alright then, in that case France still stands at having growth since they are, as of last year, 2.3

Not to get pickey but Turkey is in Asia. I believe thay are Arabs but am not certain. If we were to use the red, yellow, black and white races, I would say they are white. My son in law is from Lebanon (Arab/Christian), his skin tone is about the same as my wife’s who is from Italy. The bottom line is, who cares? We are all part of the human race.

 

[Lance]

Closed minded the poster says?

Just for clarification. Who are the “we” that are doing the despising? And who are the “hillbillies,rednecks, hicks, peasants”?

Since I am from south Georgia I can’t be a ‘hillbilly’, land is too flat. I am not royalty so that makes me a peasant I suppose and being from the south probably qualifies me as a ‘redneck and/or hick’. It does not make me stupid or a racist. My wife is from Italy so does that make my kids rednecked Italians? How about my grandson whose father is Arab, is he a rednecked Arab/Italian or an Arab rednecked Italian? Funny how I just always thought of him as American.

 

[Gerry_Hunter]

Alright then, in that case France still stands at having growth since they are, as of last year, 2.3

A 2.3 would indeed indicate a slow growth.

Gerry

 

[Gerry_Hunter]

The article cor posted seems to say it all:

It [racism] is a fundamentally materialist view of creation. Thus there cannot be a “good” form of racism any more than there can be a “benign” form of socialism.

The concept of race, and what flows from it, is just plain bad news.

Blessings,

Gerry

 

[cor]

Turkey is a part of Europe, do you consider Turkey “white?” Oh and my friend has a cousin who is 100% blooded Greek, yet his skin is olive black, is he “white” or not?

When he was a Cardinal in the Vatican, Pope Benedict XVI opposed the admission of Turkey into the European Union, saying that Turkey wasn’t really part of Europe culturally speaking or something like that. I’m not an expert when it comes to the white race but I believe there’s subraces within the white race like Nordic, Alpine, and Mediterranean. I don’t know whether Turks would fall under Mediterranean or not. There are also Persians who are supposed to be aryans or descended from aryans – that’s where the name Iran comes from believe it or not. It was aryans who came through Persia, according to historians, and settled in the Indian subcontinent, mixing them with the native Dravidian people.

Alright then, in that case France still stands at having growth since they are, as of last year, 2.3

Even if that’s so, I am quite positive that the ethnically French population is not growing. I think your figure is not right. I think it’s combining the effects of births with immigration or something.

 

[cor]

The article cor posted seems to say it all:

The concept of race, and what flows from it, is just plain bad news.

Blessings,

Gerry

I think it was saying that racism as defined by the Dictionary of Moral Theology was bad news. The article uses the concept of race. I didn’t post the whole article; there’s more in the link.

 

[rlg94086]

Since I am from south Georgia I can’t be a ‘hillbilly’, land is too flat. I am not royalty so that makes me a peasant I suppose and being from the south probably qualifies me as a ‘redneck and/or hick’. It does not make me stupid or a racist. My wife is from Italy so does that make my kids rednecked Italians? How about my grandson whose father is Arab, is he a rednecked Arab/Italian or an Arab rednecked Italian? Funny how I just always thought of him as American.

As an Italian-German-Irish-Russian-French-Spanish-Dutch-English-Native-American with Italian-German-Irish-Russian-French-Spanish-Dutch-English-Native-Filipino-Chinese-American children, I can tell you that you are obviously confused to call him just American…how silly. You need to do some thorough research, so you can use the correct hyphens.

I’m with you Lance. We are Americans.

EDIT ADD - oops…I should have added redneck to mine, as well. My dad’s side of the family was working class Texan before moving to California.

 

[rlg94086]

No one answered my question about what they think about the Congressional Black Caucus. That’s only for black people. If you are OK with them why would you not be OK with a club just for white people or a Congressional White Caucus. Same thing for NAACP and NAAWP. There shouldn’t be a double standard when it comes to the white race.

I am against having a Congressional Black Caucus and the NAACP and the NAAWP. Race should not be a consideration in anything with the exception of the medical field.

I am also against government forms asking what race someone is.