Suzanne Venker: "To be Catholic and vote for Democrats in 2020 is just wrong"

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In the United States in 2002 there had been an estimated 400,000 embryos created in a lab and left frozen or destroyed.

in 2007 the estimate was 1 million lives sitting there, created only to die.

As the government as no laws requiring accountability, it is unknown how many millions have been created out there.

This is only increasing every hour of every day.

Why is no one talking about it?
 
I saw part of the video at the time.

That baby deserved so much better. Naked on an altar. No burial garments. No casket.

Pavone used him/her as a prop.

For Trump.
 
pnewton said:
. I looked over the list, and calling it pro-life is using the Republican definition of the word. It is all about abortion, not pro-life, of which abortion is but one element. This use of the term is what leads the pro-life movement to be seen in a hypocritical life, pro-birth, not pro-life.
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The inclusion of other issues under the umbrella of “pro-life” is a Democrat ploy to dilute the movement and make them look like hypocrites. If you say are against abortion but you are not for these [Dem!] issues, then you are a hypocrite and all sorts of other bad things as well.

Pro-life is a term created to describe the anti-abortion movement. Changing it into some sort of umbrella term, where people who are working against legalized abortion are suddenly required to sign on to other opinions is a tactic to dilute the efforts and resources set aside to fight against abortion’s being legal.

It is not the people who have been at the forefront of this movement for all these years who are adding in particular opinions on other issues; it is those who want to persuade those who are against abortion to vote for the incredibly pro-abortion Dem Party who do it.

I notice that no one is pointing out the true hypocrisy of being against capital punishment for vicious killers while advocating for the same for innocents in the womb and requiring anti-CP movements to sign on to anti-abortion opinions.
 
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TheLittleLady said:
Why is no one talking about it?
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my guess is because most are held for future family building
Myth: Nearly 400,000 embryos derived from in vitro fertilization are currently frozen and destined to be destroyed.

Reality: The “400,000 frozen embryos” estimate originates from a study published by the RAND Corporation in 2002.1 While the researchers concluded that nearly 400,000 embryos have been frozen and stored since the late 1970’s, they also confirmed that only a small fraction of those 400,000 embryos are available for research. Below is a breakdown of the anticipated use of the 400,000 stored embryos.

88.2% (352,800) are being stored for future family building.
2.8% (11,200) have been designated for research by the parents.
2.3% (9,200) have been placed for adoption by the parents.
2.2% (8,800) are designated by the parents to be discarded.
4.5% (18,000) are held in storage as a result of lost contact with the parent, parent death, abandonment, or divorce.
( Texas Right to Life)
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That Texas Right to Life feels IVF is excusable, well, I just have no words for that.
 
Yes. And so strange he didn’t put his 2 cents in during the primaries. He wasn’t the mostest pro lifiest Republican Candidate.

Most times when he spoke of abortion it was the wrong talking point.
 
Many other countries have strict limits on IVF.

In Italy for example, the law was that all embryos created must be implanted.

There’s no regulation in the US.
 
Annie said:
Pro-life is a term created to describe the anti-abortion movement. Changing it into some sort of umbrella term, where people who are working against legalized abortion are suddenly required to sign on to other opinions is a tactic to dilute the efforts and resources set aside to fight against abortion’s being legal.
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It’s the old “seamless garment” approach to excuse abortion as long as you favor other social justice issues. Under this approach, Dems can call themselves ‘pro-life’ even if they favor unlimited abortion. After all, unborn children don’t vote.
 
TheLittleLady said:
That Texas Right to Life feels IVF is excusable, well, I just have no words for that.
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they are claiming the embryos are not created only to die. this seems to be a fact as the people involved are usually trying to create babies, not kill them. the issue is they create too many in their effort to have a child.
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In Italy for example, the law was that all embryos created must be implanted.

There’s no regulation in the US.
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this is an area regulation is needed. one would think with today’s tech, you would not need so many embryos.
 
pnewton said:
And I did give a fact. Fr. Pavone’s article on what the President’s commission on pro-life only contained articles about abortion, that is, pro-birth, ignoring what the Catholic Church has listed as other pro-life concerns.
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Your complaint that the article did not provide facts on all pro-life issues is analogous to complaining that commentary on the 5th commandment may be dismissed because the other nine commandments are not addressed.
 
Your post does not refute any factual claims in Pavone’s letter. Rather it seeks to defame the messenger rather than the message. Can you evidence that any of the facts Pavone claims are untrue?
 
None that I can think of.

However we have imprisoned thousands of US citizens because they were of Japanese descent during world war 2 and also have confiscated their property.

No reason why it wouldn’t happen again.
 
After that stunt, I believe that Fr Pavone would go to any length to support Donald Trump. I simply cannot in good conscience take Fr Pavone’s advice. I pray for him.
 
Annie said:
The inclusion of other issues under the umbrella of “pro-life” is a Democrat
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It is a Catholic use of the word. You are the first person I ever heard, at least here on this Catholic forum, that claimed otherwise. For the Church, there is no distinction between defending human life and promoting the dignity of the human person.

I will give you this though. I am not blind to the use of Church teaching by some Democrats to act like all issues are the same.
o_mlly said:
Your complaint that the article did not provide facts on all pro-life issues is analogous to complaining that commentary on the 5th commandment may be dismissed because the other nine commandments are not addressed.
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A true analogy would be where an article (a political ad) spoke on the Ten Commandments and only spoke about one, say the First Commandment, as it too is head and shoulders above all.

I understand and respect Fr. Pavone’s political choices, and I understand why Donald Trump is supported so much for his abortion position. What I have no respect for is Catholics trying to tell other Catholics that their judgement is somehow infallible. For me, if the Republicans would have chosen almost anyone else, I would have voted for them. Abortion politics is not a free pass for me to vote for one who otherwise is the worst possible of all worlds.
 
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That is why I said it was ad hominem, btw. Now I do see the spin, but there are real pro-life achievements that have taken place under the president. Just like I refuse to accept him deflect blame for failures like he does all the time, I also think he deserves credit for these successes. The buck stops with him, sometimes good, sometimes bad.
 
Aside from the fact that we are in a totally different space now than we were then.

Then a lot of elites were really into eugenics. Now eugenics has been thoroughly discredited by the Nazis.

Then eugenics and other historical factors led to our being a racist society. Racism has now been greatly diminished and is very disreputable, and most are aware of its evil. Additionally, people are very much on the lookout for instances of racism, and a government action along these lines would be so vilified.

Here is an article on denaturalization.
 
Any reason for this rather singular belief? Any evidence? I know the Church teaches as I said, that there is no distinction between defense of life and the promoting human dignity. I know the Church teaches that being pro-life is a lot more than abortion.
 
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