Sweden defends no lockdown plan; says coronavirus immunity growing

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josie_L said:
I don’t think a one size fits all answer for every nation under the present pandemic is the way to proceed because every nation has varying demographics/geographical differences!
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You are right, one size doesn’t fit all, but the Sweden approach would be far more appropriate for many western states than the NY lockdown.

Goldman Economists Caution Against Copying Sweden Virus Strategy​

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...n-s-virus-strategy-at-home-goldman-sachs-says
 
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I’m simply remarking on the fact that without the nursing home deaths the numbers are not that high for a nation only practicing social distancing.
 
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I like the article as I think both sides of the political divide assume there is only one approach to this pandemic.

It’s vastly annoying and unproductive.
 
Maximus1 said:
They left Tyson open and even ordered, it is questionable what will happen. With great human cost
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Tyson tested everybody. No Covid 19 in most plants. None at the corporate HQ. At the HQ, though, most everybody is working at home. I don’t know if they’ll repeat the testing or when.

I think we had better hope there’s no whole-company shutdown. That’s the largest meat producer in the country. It’s an oligopoly, with only about five big producers. I’m not fond of that, but it’s the reality.
 
josie_L said:
I’m simply remarking on the fact that without the nursing home deaths the numbers are not that high for a nation only practicing social distancing.
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Then you would have to remove the nursing home deaths in other countries too if you want to compare apples to apples. It seems at least half the deaths in the US are also in nursing homes or similar long-term care facilities.
 
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josie_L said:
Although at least half of those deaths are in nursing homes.
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The majority of deaths are in the over 65 age group. Some find that insignificant as these people are “economically burdensome” and “a drain on the young”. However even in non Christian societies that value the dignity of every person regardless, the elderly are regarded as an asset to be treasured and protected the same as any other person.

“In the west, scholars present the current century as ‘the century of old age’: there are fewer children and an increase in elderly people. This imbalance is a great challenge to contemporary society. And yet, a certain culture of profit insists on making the elderly appear to be a burden, an extra weight. They are not only unproductive; they are an encumbrance, and are to be discarded. And discarding them is sinful. We do not dare to say this openly, but it happens. There is something cowardly in this inurement to throwaway culture. We want to remove our growing fear of weakness and vulnerability, but in this way we increase in the elderly the anguish of being inadequately supported and abandoned.”

“ … We are all a little fragile, the elderly. Some, however, are particularly weak, many are alone, and affected by illness. Some depend on the indispensable care and attention of others. Will we take a step back for this? Will we abandon them to their fate? A society without closeness, in which gratuitousness and selfless affection — even among strangers — are disappearing, is a perverse society. The Church, faithful to the Word of God, cannot tolerate these degenerations. A Christian community in which closeness and gratuitousness are no longer considered indispensable, would lose its soul with this. Where there is no honor to the elderly, there is no future for the young.”

— Pope Francis General audience, St. Peter’s Square, March 4, 2015

The Bible never ceases to insist that profound respect be shown to the elderly, since they have a wealth of experience; they have known success and failure, life’s joys and afflictions, its dreams and disappointments. In the silence of their heart, they have a store of experiences that can teach us not to make mistakes or be taken in by false promises. - CHRISTUS VIVIT
 
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Daisy said:
It would probably also help New York death numbers if they weren’t forced to put infected covid patients into nursing homes?
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Three states did this: NY, NJ and CA. I posted about this back around April 29 or 30. Guess you must have missed that. But maybe that was because I cited a Breitbart article. Which was still a good article because it had links to the NY Times and the LA Times articles about the same thing. Along with links to NY and CA policy pages from their respective public health departments.

Just think about it: this policy despite our knowledge of the potential danger to long term care facilities ever since we watched that first affected facility in Kirkland, WA way back in late January, early February. Really no excuse for these states to take what was already a very difficult situation and make it much worse than it had to be.

Cuomo promulgated the policy that helped many old folks right into an early grave but he gets a pass? Remember it was so bad even the NY Times had to report on it. Yet people speak of him as a viable candidate for the Democratic VP slot or as an outright replacement for Biden. Is that who you want in charge?

smh
 
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Zzyzx_Road said:
This tweet from a few days ago is relevant. Debunk if you can.
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You can’t, the data already shows Sweden has clearly bent their curve WITHOUT lock down.

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Zzyzx_Road said:
Cuomo promulgated the policy that helped many old folks right into an early grave but he gets a pass? Remember it was so bad even the NY Times had to report on it
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Seriously! What the HECK were these states thinking?

Anyhow, sort if off topic, sorry.
 
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gracepoole . . . .
How is “immunity growing” when it’s still possible for people to become reinfected?
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The same way it does for the flu. It’s not perfect but this degree of immunity is better than no immunity.
 
Why are you sermomizing? I wasn’t stating the lives of the elderly are expendable!
 
But I wasn’t trying to compare apples to apples, just noting that almost HALF of Sweden’s deaths are confined to nursing homes, so the numbers of deaths for a country just practicing social distancing are rather low.

Note: In some states the nursing homes deaths can be attributed to ill advised policies.
 
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josie_L said:
But I wasn’t trying to compare apples to apples, just noting that almost HALF of Sweden’s deaths are confined to nursing homes, so the numbers of deaths for a country just practicing social distancing are rather low.
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“Rather low” compared to what?
 
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The amount of cases and deaths estimated under the circumstances (no lockdown) were initially higher, but that didn’t materialize.
 
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