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Hoosier-Daddy
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All over. I think she starts in Melbourne and then Sydney and some other areas.
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Hoosier-Daddy
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Here’s an interesting sidebar. Some of the people on the austrailia team came to the states a while ago. We live in a rural mountainous state. So we took them up to the mountains and showed them around. They were astounded by some gun issues. 1 that most of us have guns in our cars. They couldn’t believe it. 2. And then finding out one of the project leaders uses his time on conference calls to load his own ammo. Lol. While they didn’t understand the culture, all of them loved shooting at some cans out in the sticks.
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Roseeurekacross
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city slickers! Someone said to me , on one of my trips to the states,
if police pull you up, do exactly as they say, don’t put your hands anywhere but up, or they will shoot you
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in Phoenix everyone carries, so no one road rages,
My first trip was with students, we were staying at el cheepo accommodation. Some bounty hunter was waiting there for his bounty to show up. Carrying a gun on his shoulder, it was just like the wild west movies.
if police pull you up, do exactly as they say, don’t put your hands anywhere but up, or they will shoot you
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in Phoenix everyone carries, so no one road rages,
My first trip was with students, we were staying at el cheepo accommodation. Some bounty hunter was waiting there for his bounty to show up. Carrying a gun on his shoulder, it was just like the wild west movies.
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ZMystiCat
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Where in the world do you live! I live in an area that’s relatively hostile to religion by American standards, and gun violence at Mass really isn’t something I’m too concerned about. Then again, we also don’t have a lot of guns in the area to be worried about.
How many bad guys are there where you live!
The last time I checked, the Pope is more a global figure than a local one.
I think when you have to use Mexico as an example of why your country needs people carrying guns, you’ve already admitted that your country has a very, very serious problem. People shouldn’t have to look at Mexico as a warning of what they may face in their own country.
At this point, you’re just admitting that what @Roseeurekacross said earlier is right.
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Hoosier-Daddy
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1 a western state in America. I’d say about 1/3 of people in our midsized city carry in church. It’s really hard to know because everyone can conceal carry. So there’s no way to know how many carry. Most of our parishioners that I know carry. My mormon friends also carry. I think it’s important to note. We are talking about conceal carry. It’s not scary because you never see it. Mine is in a concealed holster on my right side inside my pants. But when wearing shorts it’s in my pocket.
2. Lots of bad guys.
Also of note. I know of at least one priest who carries at Mass. Granted, he is in a very rural area.
When I resided in Indiana our priest took all the men aside at a mens retreat and asked those if us who had permits, to carry at Mass.
2. Lots of bad guys.
Also of note. I know of at least one priest who carries at Mass. Granted, he is in a very rural area.
When I resided in Indiana our priest took all the men aside at a mens retreat and asked those if us who had permits, to carry at Mass.
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FirstFiveEighth
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Hitting your comments in order:
- Yes you ignore suicide deaths by firearms in accidental firearms deaths, which was littlelady’s concern, because they are not, by definition, accidents…
- I don’t know if that number includes robberies or not, it was a number provided by littlelady. If you feel so inclined check it out. I don’t know what relevance that has though. But I am sure that in at least 310 cases that year a violent crime was stopped by the legal use of a firearm, because that is what the statistic is. 310 instances of the legal use of a firearm to stop a violent crime, per the gov.
- Sure, that’s what I was saying. But neither can you infer that such instances have never ever occurred, though statistically they should be greater than instances of actual trigger pulling.
- I’m not sure what you are saying here. You will take what bet, that I don’t have professional firearms training and familiarity more so than probably 99% of Americans? I can virtually guarantee you that is the case, but if you know me better than I do, ok…
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pnewton
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It need not be sad. Prudence is a cardinal virtue. Furthermore, a parent has an affirmative duty to protect the family. Protection against violence is just one area where each individual must assess for himself what is best.
Few Americans here at CAF would agree with me on gun control, and how effective gun ownership is, but I have to respect their decision. Personally, I prefer weapons that are always present and training that will assist one whether one has a gun in reach or not. Also, I know that guns are a two edge-sword that can cut the owner as easily as an aggressor.
I was watching my son play Fortnight. It is a game where the play jumps out with a parachute and starts collecting guns and ammo from attics, bedrooms, basements, kitchens, etc. of houses. The first time I saw it, I said, “It looks like Texas.”
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LeafByNiggle
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That is true, but suicides and accidents both are incidents of things enabled by guns. So it is valid to be concerned about suicides.LeafByNiggle:
Hitting your comments in order:
- Yes you ignore suicide deaths by firearms in accidental firearms deaths, which was littlelady’s concern, because they are not, by definition, accidents…
It is important to recognize that “violent crime” may include a wide range of crimes besides murder.
Sorry, I misunderstood your bet. I thought you were betting that 99% of Americans were as good at gun safety as the vast majority of police departments, so as to devalue professional training.
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13pollitos
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Yes it does. Religion in general makes us all a target of those that hate religion, and unfortunately some sick religious individuals also target other religions. Please keep praying. Please keep the priests in Mexico in your prayers as well.
From the article:
“The Rev. Sergio Omar Sotelo Aguilar, director of the Catholic Multimedia Center in Mexico, said last year that there was a “new persecution against the church in Mexico.”
“Even though no wars are being fought on our soil, our country is the nation with the highest number of murders of priests,” he said.”
A priest that used to cover several churches in The area my inlaws live in is among those kidnapped and murdered. It is virtually impossible in Mexico for people to legally own guns, but at least in the rural areas where my inlaws live, they have been carrying machetes and other legal “weapons” at Mass. I think it is human nature to do what you can to protect yourself and those around you.
From the article:
“The Rev. Sergio Omar Sotelo Aguilar, director of the Catholic Multimedia Center in Mexico, said last year that there was a “new persecution against the church in Mexico.”
“Even though no wars are being fought on our soil, our country is the nation with the highest number of murders of priests,” he said.”
A priest that used to cover several churches in The area my inlaws live in is among those kidnapped and murdered. It is virtually impossible in Mexico for people to legally own guns, but at least in the rural areas where my inlaws live, they have been carrying machetes and other legal “weapons” at Mass. I think it is human nature to do what you can to protect yourself and those around you.
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FirstFiveEighth
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No it’s not valid to any discussion about mass shootings, violent crime, and their deterrence by firearms balanced against the civilian user’s expertise or lack their of in their use. It is no more valid or useful than rating a suicide by carbon monoxide asphyxiation in the carport as a car accident. Suicide is a mental health issue for which method has almost zero bearing. Using suicide as a meaningful statistic of gun violence is a deliberate attempt to obfuscate the issue and inflate the numbers for political reasons.
Violent crime does include crimes other than murder. This still has no relevance on whether legal firearm use prevented violent crime. You seem fixated only on murder, as though a we can only talk in terms of eye for an eye. I am fine with a firearm stopping a murder, armed robbery, rape, etc.
I was merely saying that I have some authority in speaking on firearm use and safety and not just speaking in theory. I doubt anywhere close to 99% of Americans are trained as well as law enforcement in using a firearm, especially a pistol in a crowded space. I would say however that those who conceal carry are most likely more familiar and more well trained than your average American firearm owner, especially in the realm of close quarter urban engagement. Those who conceal carry are not just some group of hotheads itching for a shootout, as some would have us believe. The fear of citizens carrying concealed is IMO demonstrably irrational.
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Roseeurekacross
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Yes , Mo Mowlam. Thanks.
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ZMystiCat
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Are you in the heart of some violent ghetto? That’s the only place where I can see this maybe making sense.
I think when prudence includes planning for a shooter, you should probably ask yourself why that’s a concern in the first place and what you can do to change that. I can understand someone in Mexico or Syria planning for one, but why are we doing that in the United States? The last time I checked, the U.S. wasn’t a war zone.
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13pollitos
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Neither is Mexico, Honduras, Nicaragua, etc. Chicago isn’t a war zone but have you seen the murder rate? You don’t have to be in a war zone to be in that sort of danger. The places in the world that have the highest violent death rates actually aren’t war zones at the moment.
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ZMystiCat
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Mexico is often referred to one, though. At the very least, certain parts practically are.
And I wish to reiterate that using countries like Mexico and Honduras as an example of what you feel the need to prepare for in your country already is a self-admission that your country has very serious problems. Sure, you might live in the south side of Chicago or in any of the ghettos of Detroit, but a lot of the people saying we should prepare for such tragedy aren’t, and I don’t think any of us desire Chicago or Detroit to stay like they are.
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13pollitos
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It’s not just Chicago and Detroit. Louisville, KY, Pittsburg, high school in North Carolina just within the last few days.
And I have family in Mexico. We travel there regularly. It is relevant to my life.
And I have family in Mexico. We travel there regularly. It is relevant to my life.
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graciew
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Death squads. Military. They killed him for "subversive and communist " .
Such was the risk of being close to the poor,and denouncing.Such is still today the ignorance of our own teachings.
30,000 perople dead then there. Terrible.Poor people.
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I get that a lot of major cities have at least one “bad area”. But again, a lot of people preparing for shootings don’t live in them, and we shouldn’t just accept them as they are anyways. With that said, if people all over your country are being shot, to the point where preparing for the worst is reasonable anywhere, then your country has a very serious problem.
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13pollitos
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Maybe it does. Because it’s not just big cities. Benton, KY is far small and rural. School shooting left 2 dead, 18 injured.
Church shooting in the US are often in small, rural areas
It is a sad place we are in. But honestly everywhere in the world has something.
Church shooting in the US are often in small, rural areas
It is a sad place we are in. But honestly everywhere in the world has something.
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13pollitos
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I don’t know how to fix the second link I posted so I’m posting it here.
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