Systemic Racism? Make Them Prove It. - Andrew McCarthy

[Peebo]

I’m retired now but when I was working there was a colleague who was from Uganda. He told me he didn’t like it here in the US because black people here were always ridiculing him, whether it was certain mannerisms, his accent, where he was from etc, he had lived in the UK for a number of years and had met, and married an African American woman over there and they had returned to live here. He said even his wife eventually started to poke fun at him, and if it wasn’t for his kids he’d be on the next plane back to the UK, I felt sorry for him because he was a nice guy.

 

[F_Marturana]

My point was that he concurred with the silly list and raised the ante that these are American values.

I’m Catholic. The worth of each individual a human being is priceless. The rich aren’t worth more than the poor.

The rich exist for the sake of the poor. The poor exist for the salvation of the rich.”

— St. John Chrysostom

Ideal women are Barbies?

Ideal food is bland? According to whom, Dr.Kellogg?

How strange to frequently come across these ideas and charts.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

It is not that hard. Racism causes poverty and poverty increases crime.

My dad and mom were both raised in an inner city in the depths of the recession. That wasn’t their experience.

Did they tell you that crime those days was no worse in the poor neighborhoods than the rich neighborhoods? If they did, they were wrong.

Thomas Sowell speaks of his experience, and concurs with my parents

I don’t Thomas Sowell ever claimed that poverty has no effect on the crime rate. If so, I would like to see a text citation (not a video, please).

 

[LeafByNiggle]

I’ve heard African Americans say, if you want to escape the problems, get out of the Inner City, go West or something like that.

That’s nice if you have the luxury of moving and finding a new home in a more prosperous area. That is not as easy for the marginalized to do that.

For those who think acknowledgement of racism is just a leftist thing, it is worthwhile remembering what our bishops are saying:

BALTIMORE — The U.S. bishops overwhelmingly approved a statement against racism Nov. 14 during their fall general meeting at Baltimore.

The document, “Open Wide Our Hearts: The Enduring Call to Love — A Pastoral Letter Against Racism,” passed 241-3 with one abstention. It required a two-thirds vote by all bishops, or 183 votes, for passage.

“Despite many promising strides made in our country, the ugly cancer of racism still infects our nation,” the pastoral letter says. “Racist acts are sinful because they violate justice. They reveal a failure to acknowledge the human dignity of the persons offended, to recognize them as the neighbors Christ calls us to love,” it adds.

“This statement is very important and very timely,” said Bishop John E. Stowe of Lexington, Kentucky. He appreciated that the letter took note of the racism suffered by African-Americans and Native Americans, “two pieces of our national history that we have not reconciled.”

 

[Anesti33]

Did they tell you that crime those days was no worse in the poor neighborhoods than the rich neighborhoods? If they did, they were wrong.

What kind of crime?

You know, I really get tired of elitist comments about the poor areas being high-crime areas, or the homeless committing a lot of crime, because nobody’s innocent. The middle and upper class hides plenty of crime behind white picket fences. How many felonies a day do they commit? You’d be surprised.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704471504574438900830760842

 

[YADA]

No I don’t think they are. I do think that some policies that were meant to help them actually in fact hurt poor communities - and African Americans to a greater degree - them significantly. They hurt them because they established a policy that eliminated fathers from the home, did not require individual responsibility, and established a perpetual star of victim good that benefited those in power.

In that vacuum, will other failed policies like ebonics, poor scthols - evan as more and more money was thrown at failing schools - and Unions took control, no school choice people, lack of school choice, fatherless homes and drugs - the gangsta movement was born. Enter Hollywood - rappers - n-words, talk about mysoginst environments that objectify women and glorify killing and drugs …which made whites and POC rich on the blood and loss of life in the inner city…

Marriage is not necessary for coupling and neither is employment nor parenthood …no ring, no job, not even a whisper of fidelity needed and aborted babies are all acceptable in today’s America …

This had hit all poor people and is reaching into middle class too …but the most victims are found in the African American community.

Those that do stay in school, marry and escape the gangs, drugs and carnage do far better …but now that is a form of racism it seems
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[Annie]

So, I thought racism was being against people descended from (native) Africans?

Are you saying that racism is only against some people of African descent? How does a racist know? I thought racist store police were following all black people around stores, not checking their genealogies, educational levels, or what neighborhoods they grew up in to make sure they were the right kind of black person to be racist against.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

Did they tell you that crime those days was no worse in the poor neighborhoods than the rich neighborhoods? If they did, they were wrong.

What kind of crime?

You know, I really get tired of elitist comments about the poor areas being high-crime areas, or the homeless committing a lot of crime, because nobody’s innocent. The middle and upper class hides plenty of crime behind white picket fences.

Recall that crime among blacks is being discussed in this thread only because it was introduced as a means of explaining why blacks are not doing so well in the wealth department - by those that deny that racism exists . This is a proposition that I oppose. But if you want to say now that crime among whites is just as common as crime among blacks, then you are on my side now, removing that excuse for black poverty. For I agree with you. Whites are just as prone to crime as blacks. But then I have to scratch my head to reconcile this realization of yours with what you said earlier:

Anesti33:

There is a distinct, mainstream , culture of glorifying crime, guns, drugs, and violence among African-American men.

You can find it to a lesser extent in other ethnicities, but it isn’t nearly so defining, pervasive, and mainstream as it is among African-Americans. Every boy grows up dreaming of which gang he will join and what kind of gat he will wield. Prison time is a badge of honor, and a leading cause of absentee fatherhood. It’s a self-defeating cycle.

But I am pleased that you have come around.

 

[Feanor2]

Whiteness is a legal construction. It does not exist

 

[WingedHussar]

Ah yes, I remember the 28th Amendment which established whiteness.

 

[JonNC]

Its impacted many parts of the worlds. Lots of terrible examples of racism in Chinese culture…
That doesn’t change the fact that the impact of a couple centuries of oppression of blacks in the West has left a mark…

The difference between the west and many other places and cultures around the world is we ended slavery. We outlawed systemic and institutional racism.

 

[JonNC]

Of course it has… What’s your point?

My point is the disproportionate emphasis on ours. As I said above, we’ve outlawed institutional racism. Many places haven’t.

Racism is bigger than legislation. It is an inescapable fact that the push for a globalised world will inherently force meshing of peoples and cultures.

There will always be individual racism. We should all oppose it.

This friction, in addition to the pains of real historical persecution, will forever shape relations between races.

It shouldn’t. The racism of the past should not hold those of the present or future captive or responsible.

 

[PatienceAndHumility]

My point is the disproportionate emphasis on ours. As I said above, we’ve outlawed institutional racism. Many places haven’t.

The disproportionate emphasis is a subjective claim. Whilst it may be correct, it is nonetheless subjective. Even so, a difference emphasis does not negate the presence of it.

There will always be individual racism. We should all oppose it.

Indeed.

It shouldn’t. The racism of the past should not hold those of the present or future captive or responsible.

Of course, it shouldn’t. But it does and it will do. We can of course hope that humanity strives against it’s fallen nature. But the wound of racism on humanity has left a scar. In any case, my point about it being an inescapable reality was in response to your statement about it being illegal (and apparently concluding resolution).

 

[Annie]

by those that deny that racism exists .

I don’t think that there are people here who deny racism exists. And I don’t even think that there are that many people in general who deny it exists.

There are some small few, who are the ones I would call white supremacists, who say racism is justified; there are some small few who believe in a separation of the races, who are the ones I would call white nationalists. But these are such a small number in our population that they can be tossed in with flat-earthers and those who think that the trip to the moon didn’t happen.

However, I would say there are large numbers of people who simply do not know about these things. What we hear in the news is too limited to base our thoughts on but it is all many people have. Remember that in large parts of the US, there are very few black people.

ETA: map of black population by county in percentages.

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[Annie]

Continued from above:

This is the map of non-Hispanic white population:

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Both are from here.

 

[Motherwit]

Yes, a black man was elected President two times but we are so racist.

This actually proves the point about the whole oppressive racism in mainland USA. Obama was raised in Hawaii and Indonesia until finishing High School. He wasn’t subject in those two places to the racism we are speaking of, hence having the formation and relatively racism free education to confront it. It would be wonderful if all African Americans in the US had the same sort of freedom from it.

 

[Duke12VonFalkenburg]

Let’s not forget that it was Trump who passed Prison and Justice reform that helped a lot of African Americans. Barack and Biden didn’t do any of this even after the events in Baltimore during their adminstration.

Trump signs criminal justice reform bill

President Trump on Friday signed a sweeping criminal justice reform bill, marking a major legislative victory on an issue that garnered bipartisan support despite deep partisan gridlock on everything from immigration to health care.

www.foxnews.com

Trump-backed prison reform bill to overhaul controversial 'three strikes' rule

From a man who was sentenced for life after stealing $150 worth of videotapes to an offender sentenced for shoplifting a jacket worth $159, the new prison reform tries to overhaul the controversial “three strikes” law that led to people spending their life in prison for petty crimes.

www.foxnews.com

 

[JonNC]

The disproportionate emphasis is a subjective claim. Whilst it may be correct, it is nonetheless subjective. Even so, a difference emphasis does not negate the presence of it.

Slavery was ended over 159 years ago. Slavery still exists in many parts of the world today.
Does racism still exist in America today? Of course. We see it in the evil of white supremacy, but also among blacks snd others as well. But in America today’s America, the vast majority of Americans are opposed to racism.

We can of course hope that humanity strives against it’s fallen nature. But the wound of racism on humanity has left a scar.

Now this I can agree with. Racism is not in any way unique to America or Caucasians.

In any case, my point about it being an inescapable reality was in response to your statement about it being illegal (and apparently concluding resolution).

My comment about it being illegal is to the claim of systemic or institutional racism. It is illegal. Regarding institutions, that is a resolution, though individual racism within all institutions should be guarded against.

 

[PatienceAndHumility]

I think we agree therefore on a lot. Peace

 

[JonNC]

There are some small few, who are the ones I would call white supremacists, who say racism is justified; there are some small few who believe in a separation of the races, who are the ones I would call white nationalists.

There are some blacks who fall into these two categories, as well.

But these are such a small number in our population that they can be tossed in with flat-earthers and those who think that the trip to the moon didn’t happen.

Exactly.