Ted Cruz Dropping Out of Republican Presidential Race

[GaryTaylor]

So vote for Hillary or some third party candidate which will give it to Hillary in the long run. I do not disagree with your opinion, but I think one has to think beyond this. Just how likely is it that any president can overturn RvW? I proffer not at all. Sometimes we have to be willing to take baby steps and as we say, choose the lesser of two evils.

I have been very confused by the reasons some of our posters give for supporting Hillary, but that is between them and God. I have to worry more about my salvation than theirs.

The GOP voters are in a collective snit and want someone outside of those now in power. I don’t know how that will turn out, and although Trump was certainly not my choice, I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I know what Hillary stands for.

Level headed as always! I’ll be quiet now.

 

[irishpatrick]

So vote for Hillary or some third party candidate which will give it to Hillary in the long run. I do not disagree with your opinion, but I think one has to think beyond this. Just how likely is it that any president can overturn RvW? I proffer not at all. Sometimes we have to be willing to take baby steps and as we say, choose the lesser of two evils.

I have been very confused by the reasons some of our posters give for supporting Hillary, but that is between them and God. I have to worry more about my salvation than theirs.

The GOP voters are in a collective snit and want someone outside of those now in power. I don’t know how that will turn out, and although Trump was certainly not my choice, I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I know what Hillary stands for.

First, I will never vote for a Democrat–period.

Second, I believe Trump is every bit as prochoice as Hillary is.

Third, I am not advocating not voting for Trump. I am simply stating that the GOP is no longer the party of life, marriage, and the family. The platform hasn’t changed, but the voters have, and the party is changing with the voters. GOP voters no long care about those core issues. If they did, Trump would not have risen as he has. I will likely hold my nose and vote for Trump, but I just don’t want people to fool themselves into thinking Trump is prolife, he simply is not.

 

[irishpatrick]

But you start on the false premise Trump isn’t conservative, thats not a fact but an opinion which conceals accusation and agenda.

Untrue and they just did what they desired by dropping the DC insiders for one outside.

Whos an authority on what a WSR is in fact IF they actually exist?

I don’t see any point?

If voters wanted a true outsider they would have voted for Cruz. Trump has been part of the establishment for decades. He talked a great game, but has never been outside of the Washington elites. Cruz walked his talk and he angered a lot of people in the process–that is the sign of a true outsider, but he was soundly rejected. That tells us people don’t want a true outsider.

 

[irishpatrick]

I am pleased that Trump is the GOP candidate.

There is no chance that Trump will beat Clinton.

This may be a “Dukakis style” landslide except this time with the Democrat on top.

I am quite sure many Democrats are happy Trump has won the nomination.

 

[Peter_J]

How to explain the Trump phenomena? I pretend to no special insight but let me put to one side my pile of books, set down my latest copy of the National Review, and try to describe what my eyes behold. I see my children, relatives, friends, neighbors, and their like among the long neglected working classes of our country for whom even the possibility of prosperity seems a lost hope. These are the people largely ignored by the elites of both parties. A lot of these seldom vote, and some never. This year a great many have come out and voted for a bull in a china shop out of pent up frustration and personal pain.

In this analogy, the china shop is the GOP, right? (Because some people have spoken as though this primary season has been a net positive for the GOP.)

 

[irishpatrick]

Thanks to all.

The die is cast. It will be Trump versus Clinton. We shall see what happens in the fall.

I have said enough.

 

[Boatswain2PA]

…The fact is the majority of the Republican primary voters don’t care strongly enough about social issues to select a Presidential nominee that thinks about them.

If Trump wins, social conservatives are permanently on the outside of the GOP and will not have a say in events on a national level again.

Only if you base your definition “social conservative” on completely banning of abortion, respect for marriage (especially original marriage), etc.

But the way he doesn’t tolerate leftist foolishness such as disrupting his rally’s or rioting. He speaks bluntly and truthfully about these things, and it is these sort of things that many Americans are just disgusted by.

No–not true at all. The life of the mother exception has been shown to be open for any doctor or woman to state the mother’s life is at risk. It is a fully wide-open exception that basically leads to abortion on demand. That is why prolife people have fought the LOTM exception…

Yes, a “life of the mother” exception can “open the door”, but that door can also be guarded by state boards of medicine, law enforcement, and attorneys general. If a physician routinely violated such standards they would be at great risk for prosecution and/or sanctions.

 

[Peter_J]

I think what is not seen is that the GOP is already dead–at least the conservative party once known as the GOP. The fact that Trump will be the nominee proves that–anyone with an ability to discern reality knows Trump is neither a Republican, nor a Conservative. He is something entirely different–he just used the party to ride to victory. He is what the people wanted…we shall see where it goes from here.

But none of that means the GOP is dead.

It is said an Eastern monarch once charged his wise men to invent him a sentence, to be ever in view, and which should be true and appropriate in all times and situations. They presented him the words: “And this, too, shall pass away.” How much it expresses! How chastening in the hour of pride! How consoling in the depths of affliction!

• Abraham Lincoln, 1859

 

[irishpatrick]

Only if you base your definition “social conservative” on completely banning of abortion, respect for marriage (especially original marriage), etc.

But the way he doesn’t tolerate leftist foolishness such as disrupting his rally’s or rioting. He speaks bluntly and truthfully about these things, and it is these sort of things that many Americans are just disgusted by.

Yes, a “life of the mother” exception can “open the door”, but that door can also be guarded by state boards of medicine, law enforcement, and attorneys general. If a physician routinely violated such standards they would be at great risk for prosecution and/or sanctions.

There are many easy ways to play the system when the door is left wide open.

 

[irishpatrick]

But none of that means the GOP is dead.

“This too shall pass.”

I believe the GOP as it used to be is gone forever. The party will not go away, but it has already morphed into something it never was before.

 

[irishpatrick]

But none of that means the GOP is dead.

• Abraham Lincoln, 1859

The GOP as it always was is gone forever. The party will remain in a morphed and much different form. It will use similar words, and on the surface it might even appear the same, but the politicians and voters of today care little about authentic conservatism.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

I believe the GOP as it used to be is gone forever. The party will not go away, but it has already morphed into something it never was before.

I agree with that. The party name will not go away, but it will be fundamentally changed by a Trump presidency. Maybe if Trump does not win - I, personally, think a Trump-Clinton election will be close - the party can return to what it once was.

 

[Boatswain2PA]

There are many easy ways to play the system when the door is left wide open.

I agree. But if your only two choices are to either “leave the door open” to some abortions, or open the wall up so there are absolutely no restrictions to abortions, which one is better?

The Republican party’s position is to reduce abortions. The Democratic party’s position is unlimited abortion on demand until birth.

 

[GaryTaylor]

I believe the GOP as it used to be is gone forever.

We have boundless optimism all will be fine. And after the mid-term slaughter, and since everyones all time favorite Barrack is done, I expect much of the same. We’ll probably get tired of winning! “yawn”.

 

[irishpatrick]

I think it teaches us a lot that so many people today will justify various sorts of legal abortion using all manners of fancy arguments. Yet, despite the fancy and clever justifications, the precious, innocent little babies are still dying. That used to mean something to the majority of Republicans–they used to be able to feel for those innocents. Not so much today.

To me, it is a heart-breaking development and change. It is a sign of millions giving up on the most vulnerable among us–it is a sign of people conceding that they have lost the struggle for innocent lives, and to them there is no longer any need to continue the legal fight. Yet, those precious God-created babies are still being wiped away to the tune of more than 1,000,000 every year. Year after year, election after election, decade after decade, the babies continue to die, only now, fewer people care.

 

[Peter_J]

Please call the Democratic Party the Democratic Party and not “the party of death.”

I will. (I don’t want to sound like I’m a presidential candidate or something. )

 

[irishpatrick]

We have boundless optimism all will be fine. And after the mid-term slaughter, and since everyones all time favorite Barrack is done, I expect much of the same. We’ll probably get tired of winning! “yawn”.

I have no boundless hope in a national party. Never have and never will. I have boundless hope in our Lord. I also think that slaughter might go the other way. I pray I am wrong.

 

[irishpatrick]

I will. (I don’t want to sound like I’m a presidential candidate or something. )

It is similar to not saying pro-abortion–we must say pro-choice. That honors and respects those who support the killing, makes it so much easier on their conscience.

 

[Peter_J]

Yes, that is my point. The GOP is no longer a party of life, or of marriage and the family. There is nowhere to go for people who will always care about those issues, which sadly seems to be less each year.

You should think about the “down ballot” races.

 

[irishpatrick]

You should think about the “down ballot” races.

I think about the full ballot and, imo, no abortion supporter should ever be in any elected office. But that won’t take with most people because they can’t “see” those who are dying.