Temporary Marriage in Islam.

[deb1]

I really think Sister Amy, Muslim Woman and planten should go over to the prestigious religious scholars in the Middle East and set them straight.

Just curious is planten a woman? If so then the debate about temporary marriages seems drawn along gender lines.

 

[planten]

Read:

tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=4&tid=10829

See: Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those (captives and slaves) whom your right hands possess. Thus has Allah ordained for you. All others are lawful, provided you seek (them in marriage) with Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage) from your property, desiring chastity, not committing illegal sexual intercourse, ** so with those of whom you have enjoyed sexual relations, give them their Mahr as prescribed **; but if after a Mahr is prescribed, you agree mutually (to give more), there is no sin on you. Surely, Allah is Ever AllKnowing, AllWise.

Thanks sister Amy for providing me a better translation of the verse. Many thanks. specially the part I have colored above in blue. That was a good translation.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

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… I’ve heard from women who were sexually assulted in the Hajj ritual as they were circumbulating the Kabba,

Millions people gather around the holy mosque . Unwillingly it’s possible for any man to come close to a woman but women are ’ sexually assulted ’ inside the holy mosque ? How is that possible ? One’s hajj will be invalid if he intentionally touches a woman on sexual purpose.

Anyway , this is off topic. Pl. give me more info about temporay marriage according to Quran .

1. Is it allowed to marry for one hour ?
2. Fathers , brothers are encouraged to arrange marriage for their daughters , sisters for one hour ?
3. Do you encourage any of your female family members to go for temporary marriage ? as this is a personal question , it’s ok if u don’t answer ].

 

[famdigy]

** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **
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Millions people gather around the holy mosque . Unwillingly it’s possible for any man to come close to a woman but women are ’ sexually assulted ’ inside the holy mosque ? How is that possible ? One’s hajj will be invalid if he intentionally touches a woman on sexual purpose.

My experience has been when a group decides to go to Hajj, they make it a point to have the men in the group form a protective circle around the women so as to prevent any unwanted attention from local perverts.

1. Is it allowed to marry for one hour ?

Yes it is allowed

1. Fathers , brothers are encouraged to arrange marriage for their daughters , sisters for one hour ?

It depends on the circumstances, if fathers or guardians arrange temporary marriage for their daughters it is only for the girl to get an opportunity to get to know the boy and decide if she wants to marry him permanently. In practice though temporary marriages are usually arranged by the couple themselves, they are usually older and don’t live with or under their guardians. But then again everyone has different circumstances. As I said before, permanent marriage is always preferred over temporary one.

1. Do you encourage any of your female family members to go for temporary marriage ? as this is a personal question , it’s ok if u don’t answer ].

Honestly, if I had a daughter that’s ready to be married, I’d have to meet the boy first and see if I like him, if so then I would agree to a temporary marriage between them with certain conditions if it works out and they are agreeable to each other then we arrange for a permanent marriage. Ultimately the decision is hers, I can’t force her into anything she doesn’t want. All parents care for their children’s well being but sometimes the kids don’t understand their parents intentions and rebel. I only hope that I can guide her into the right path with love, understanding and fatherly advise.

 

[algebra]

Read:

tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=4&tid=10829

See: Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those (captives and slaves) whom your right hands possess. Thus has Allah ordained for you. All others are lawful, provided you seek (them in marriage) with Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage) from your property, desiring chastity, not committing illegal sexual intercourse, so with those of whom you have enjoyed sexual relations, give them their Mahr as prescribed; but if after a Mahr is prescribed, you agree mutually (to give more), there is no sin on you. Surely, Allah is Ever AllKnowing, AllWise.

How is this an alternate interpretation. It confirms temporary marriage in my opinion.

 

[algebra]

Thanks sister Amy for providing me a better translation of the verse. Many thanks. specially the part I have colored above in blue. That was a good translation.

That is the tafsir NOT the translation, although the tafsir itself is incomplete, given that we do not have the context in which the verse was revealed.

I was hoping that Amy would provide the contextual history of the verse rather than a transliteration.

 

[Sister_Amy]

That is the tafsir NOT the translation, although the tafsir itself is incomplete, given that we do not have the context in which the verse was revealed.

I was hoping that Amy would provide the contextual history of the verse rather than a transliteration.

Actually, I quoted a translation. Planten was correct. I quoted the Muhsin Khan translation of the verse.

What I linked to was the tafsir of Ibn Kathir on that ayah. You should read it. It describes that the ayah was about mut’ah marriage, but if you look at the correction translation (the one I quoted from Muhsin Khan) you can see it’s not recommending that mut’ah marriage be acceptable in the future, not at all.

 

[chrisse]

You realize that’s whom we get our information from, don’t you?

You’re the ones we’re trying to set straight.

No, I didn’t realise that. My links to the official Saudi Arabian and Jordanian religious scholars websites have been scoffed at by most of the muslims on this board. So what I realise is that you get the information from any source that suits the narrative you’re attempting to “set straight” on us.

 

[famdigy]

Read:

tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=4&tid=10829

See: Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those (captives and slaves) whom your right hands possess. Thus has Allah ordained for you. All others are lawful, provided you seek (them in marriage) with Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage) from your property, desiring chastity, not committing illegal sexual intercourse, so with those of whom you have enjoyed sexual relations, give them their Mahr as prescribed; but if after a Mahr is prescribed, you agree mutually (to give more), there is no sin on you. Surely, Allah is Ever AllKnowing, AllWise.

Sister Amy that is not an accurate translation of the verse.

The word in this ayah which we differ on is “Istamta’tum” a derivitive of the root word “Mut’ah”, You have translated it as “Sexual Relation”. In order for this to be a valid translation you have first prove that the word “mut’ah” has been understood to mean “sexual relation” in the time it was revealed, this is a key point.

We both know Mut’ah was never understood as sexual relation, rather it was understood to mean “pleasure/temporary marriage” this is the context in which the arabs of the time understood the word to mean. You will find this to be true if you look up any of the authoritative arabic dictionaries. Notably Lisan al-arab. I will look it up for you when i have some time.

A most accurate translation thus would be:

…Except the forbidden women) the rest are lawful unto you to seek them with gifts from your property (i.e., dowry), provided that you desire protection (from sin), not fornication. So for whatever you have had of pleasure (Istamta’tum) with them, give unto them their appointed wages as a duty.

equally important to note which you have conveniently ignored is the fact that many companions understood this verse to have been revealed about temporary marriage.

Ali (RA) said: The Mut’a is a mercy from Allah to his servants. If it were not for Umar forbidding it, no one would commit (the sin) of fornication except the wretched (Shaqi; an utmost wrong-doer)."

Source:
* Tafsir al-Kabir, by al-Tha’labi, under commentary of verse 4:24 of Quran;
* Tafsir al-Kabir, by Fakhr al-Razi, v3, p200, commentary of verse 4:24;
* Tafsir al-Kabir, by Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, under commentary of verse 4:24 with authentic chain of narrators, v8, p178, Tradition #9042;
* Tafsir al-Durr al-Manthoor, by al-Suyuti, v2, p140, from several chain of transmitters;
* Tafsir al-Qurtubi, v5, p130, under commentary of verse 4:24 of Quran;
* Tafsir Ibn Hayyan, v3, p218, under commentary of verse 4:24 of Quran;
* Tafsir Nisaboori, by al-Nisaboori (8th century);
* Ahkam al-Quran, by Jassas, v2, p179, under commentary of verse 4:24.

 

[algebra]

What I linked to was the tafsir of Ibn Kathir on that ayah. You should read it. It describes that the ayah was about mut’ah marriage, but if you look at the correction translation (the one I quoted from Muhsin Khan) you can see it’s not recommending that mut’ah marriage be acceptable in the future, not at all.

I read the tafsir

There are a couple of things that need to be pointed out.

WIthout the hadith it is impossible to conclude that this verse forbids mut’ah.

On that contrary, you naturally conclude that the verse allows muta’h.

To use ahadith to interpret the verse is dangerous, to forbid what was known to be allowed based on this interpretation is even more dangerous.

Ideally a verse is taken to mean what is the simplest meaning.
If that meaning is supported by another verse, then even better.

Also when you consider this verse there are 2 portions to it.

1. The portion that forbids

Also (forbidden are) women already married

AND
2) The portion that allows

except those (captives and slaves) whom your right hands possess;

All others are lawful (with the following conditions

condition 1
provided you seek with Mahr;

condition 2
desiring chastity, not committing illegal sexual intercourse;

condition 3 (specific for mut’ah wives)
so with those of whom you have enjoyed sexual relations, give them their Mahr as prescribed;

condition 4
but if after a Mahr is prescribed, you agree mutually (to give more), there is no sin on you

I see your point, don’t get me wrong.

But when you look at the logical flow of the verse, it is hard to reach the interpretation you use.

 

[cathopologist]

**Is a married lady also allowed to do Mutah? Such as the wife of algebra,. is she allowed under Shia belief to do Mutah now that she is married? **If not then under what verse of Quran and under what clause? Please do not mind these awkward questions. Let us discuss them all while we are at it. thanks. No bad feelings.

Why must you be so condescending and disrespectful towards another man’s wife? You and algebra or famdigy may disagree theologically but there is no need to hit below the belt.

 

[Sister_Amy]

I read the tafsir

There are a couple of things that need to be pointed out.

WIthout the hadith it is impossible to conclude that this verse forbids mut’ah.

On that contrary, you naturally conclude that the verse allows muta’h.

To use ahadith to interpret the verse is dangerous, to forbid what was known to be allowed based on this interpretation is even more dangerous.

Ideally a verse is taken to mean what is the simplest meaning.
If that meaning is supported by another verse, then even better.

Also when you consider this verse there are 2 portions to it.

1. The portion that forbids

Also (forbidden are) women already married

AND
2) The portion that allows

except those (captives and slaves) whom your right hands possess;

All others are lawful (with the following conditions

condition 1
provided you seek with Mahr;

condition 2
desiring chastity, not committing illegal sexual intercourse;

condition 3 (specific for mut’ah wives)
so with those of whom you have enjoyed sexual relations, give them their Mahr as prescribed;

condition 4
but if after a Mahr is prescribed, you agree mutually (to give more), there is no sin on you

I see your point, don’t get me wrong.

But when you look at the logical flow of the verse, it is hard to reach the interpretation you use.

Maybe you could tell me which school you went to that allows you to interpret Qur’an?

 

[famdigy]

Maybe you could tell me which school you went to that allows you to interpret Qur’an?

what’s the point of asking that question, you know very well that even if he reached the highest level of jurisprudence you won’t accept that interpretation as it conflicts with your views.

 

[inJESUS]

Having read both Sunni and Shia stuff about this matter, it is easy to see that the Shia’s point is more valid.

Sunnis who call it prostitution must ask why did Muhammad/Allah allow prostitution and then changed his mind? is there something moral at one period and immoral the next period, all within a few years?

 

[planten]

Actually, I quoted a translation. Planten was correct. I quoted the Muhsin Khan translation of the verse.

What I linked to was the tafsir of Ibn Kathir on that ayah. You should read it. It describes that the ayah was about mut’ah marriage, but if you look at the correction translation (the one I quoted from Muhsin Khan) you can see it’s not recommending that mut’ah marriage be acceptable in the future, not at all.

** Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those (captives and slaves) whom your right hands possess. Thus has Allah ordained for you. All others are lawful, provided you seek them in marriage with Mahr **(bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage) from your property, desiring chastity, not committing illegal sexual intercourse, so with those (ladies) of whom you have enjoyed sexual relations, give them their Mahr as prescribed; but if after a Mahr is prescribed, you agree mutually (to give more), there is no sin on you. Surely, Allah is Ever AllKnowing, AllWise

Yes, you are right 100%. There is no word about Mutah in that verse. I was (slightly) on the wrong track. After seeing your presentation of a scholars (Mohsin Khan) translation, I am happy to understand things in a better way. I may state the same below:

1. In the verse, there is a complete guidance about the marriage matters.
2. It is written in the verse “taking them in marriage…” ( i.e. Not in Mutah).
3. Desiring chastity.
4. Not committing sexual relations (fornication= Musafikheen). Fornication is an illegal sexual act of the un-married persons…
5. Those with whom you have enjoyed sexual relations… (That means the result of real legal marriage).

That sentence I colored in blue has completely turned the tables against any Mutah. Because the allowance of Mutah is being derived from that word " Famas t’atum bihi min hunna" is derived from that part of the verse and the meaning of that verse has been now explained as “having had sexual relation and enjoyment as much as was sufficient and satisfactory in that legal marriage…”

It also proves that there should be sexual relation too. So those who support Mutah, will they agree that sexual mating is necessary in Mutah??. I hope not.

It only means that the Muslism are allowed to marry certain women by proper open legal means only, by deciding a recompensation for the marriage (dowery). They live together as husband and wife for as long as they are happy.

But when the situation arises that they have to separate, then the husband should pay the dues in good faith or have it reduced by the consent of the wife.

This is further proved by the fact that if a man married a lady and they lived together for some time but the man did not touch the lady, if they separated after some time without any sexual contact, then it was necessary to pay the lady only half of what was settled. (Verses 2:236, 237.) And the lady will go away as clean as she was before entering the house. ( The word clean may not be misunderstood please.)

I had suggested some good way of courting In Islam. The situation is now coming near that matter.

The verse under discussion is telling about a proper marriage only, not about any temporary marriage, and mode of separation (divorce). It is also told in the verse that the money should be paid to the lady as an essential (Obligatory) duty i.e.Fareedhah.

There is no mention of any Mutah in the whole Quran.

 

[Sam_777]

Interesting topic indeed, however, in Islam we have many types of temporary marriages, such as:

1. Misyar marriage, (Arabic:زواج المسيار).
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2. Travel marriage, (Arabic:زواج المسفار).
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   3) Mutah marriage, (Arabic:زواج المتعة).
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3. Urfi marriage, (Arabic:الزواج العرفي).
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4. Exchange marriage, (Arabic:زواج البدل)
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5. Elders marriage, (Arabic:زواج الوناسة).
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6. Friends marriage, (Arabic:زواج الفرند).
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7. Summer marriage, (Arabic: الزواج الصيفي).
   http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2008/07/15/53129.html

 

[Sam_777]

Take Saudi arabia for example, externally they appear to be upholding high and ideal morals yet inside the society and among their youths there is rampant sexual deviancy and homosexuality.

I agree with you.

It is not up to us or to Umar to forbid something that has been made permissible, Historically it is well known even in your books that the companion Ibn Abbas was a strong proponent of Temporary marriage, even explained that quran 4.24 was revealed about temporary marriage and he criticized umar for banning it.

I salute you for your courage in pointing out the truth about Islam and not using Taqiyya to hide it.

 

[planten]

Interesting topic indeed, however, in Islam we have many types of temporary marriages, such as:

1. Misyar marriage, (Arabic:زواج المسيار).
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2. Travel marriage, (Arabic:زواج المسفار).
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   3) Mutah marriage, (Arabic:زواج المتعة).
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3. Urfi marriage, (Arabic:الزواج العرفي).
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4. Exchange marriage, (Arabic:زواج البدل)
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5. Elders marriage, (Arabic:زواج الوناسة).
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6. Friends marriage, (Arabic:زواج الفرند).
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7. Summer marriage, (Arabic: الزواج الصيفي).
   http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2008/07/15/53129.html

** Sam, please come by the Quran. Do not describe the present day christian / Catholic way of life here. There is nothing of those things in the Quran. Have some fear of your father God and Jesus god in your heart.**

 

[Sam_777]

** Sam, please come by the Quran. Do not describe the present day christian / Catholic way of life here. There is nothing of those things in the Quran. Have some fear of your father God and Jesus god in your heart.**

Brother/Sister planten, did you read the links!!!.

Am I the one who is saying that, or those are the Islamic clerics who allowed such types of marriages! :ehh:

I wish you could learn Arabic so that you can read all those authentic Arabic books about Islam and discover the truth yourself instead of relying on your ancestors words.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

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…Yes it is allowed

Marriage for one hour is allowed on basis of what ? Prophet (pbuh) ever married for one hour ? Ever encouraged anyone to do so ? The women who recieved the good news of going to Paradise ever got married for 1 hour ? Who is your role model in that case ?

Honestly, if I had a daughter …agree to a temporary marriage …then we arrange for a permanent marriage.

Did you read the biography of the Prophet , his wives , companions ? Nobody said believers must do it to please God . Why are you giving so much importance on temporary marriage ? It’s really sad & strange .

I request you to try to understand the importance of marriage in Islam . Read some good articles on marriage . Hopefully U will understand how God told us to choose a pious partner , to make a good family to be benifitted in the life hereafter . One hour marriage can’t fulfill any of these .

I just saw one artice online . Few lines :

Married Life in Islam

“And among His signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that you may dwell in tranquility with them, and He has put love and mercy between your hearts. Verily in that are signs for those who reflect.” (Qur’an 30:21)

In the Qur’an, the** marriage relationship is described as one with “tranquility,” “love” and “mercy**.” Elsewhere in the Qur’an, **husband and wife are described as “garments” for each other **(2:187). Garments offer protection, comfort, modesty, and warmth.

Above all, the Qur’an describes that the best garment is the “garment of God-consciousness” (7:26).