Temporary Marriage in Islam.

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I will also refer famdigy to the life style of Fatima, the daughter of the prophet if ever she also indulged in any Muta. And did any daughter of fatima or Ali indulge in Mutah? This idea (Mutah) seems to be some crazy belief. I beg your pardon about saying any harsh words about the sacred belief of the Shias.
 
Read that somewhere in the middle east, this temporary marriage acts as a ground for Islamic Prostitution. Shiites love this legal prostitution thing.

Marriage ceremonies are officiated by a sheikh making them accomplices of this carnal act. Well I guess this is what we get from a religion invented by a sex pervert.
 
what’s the point of asking that question, you know very well that even if he reached the highest level of jurisprudence you won’t accept that interpretation as it conflicts with your views.
famdigy, while I don’t agree with the Shia doctrine, I’ve always found Shia muslims far more rational and realistic to debate with. 👍
 
Read that somewhere in the middle east, this temporary marriage acts as a ground for Islamic Prostitution. Shiites love this legal prostitution thing.

Marriage ceremonies are officiated by a sheikh making them accomplices of this carnal act. Well I guess this is what we get from a religion invented by a sex pervert.
You shouldn’t be one to speak as your catholic church so far has paid out over 2 Billion $ to settle sex scandals committed by its priests. What’s even more shameful is that the church knew about some of those cases and instead of bringing the offenders to justice they transfer them to other areas where the same catholic priests and sex perverts continued to sexually assault little quire boys. This is the consequence of the unnatural sexual repression the catholic faith imposes on human nature. It is no different in the sunni faith.
Marriage for one hour is allowed on basis of what ? Prophet (pbuh) ever married for one hour ? Ever encouraged anyone to do so ? The women who recieved the good news of going to Paradise ever got married for 1 hour ? Who is your role model in that case ?
Yes the Prophet and Lady Fatimah (as) never married temporarily but muslims of that time have, in some hadiths they were married temporarily for only 3 days. The prophet (s) never punished or chastised those individuals which only means the practice is OK.

Islam acknowledges human sexual nature and provides the means to channel the desire for sexual intimacy.

The reality is that repression of that desire leads to negative social consequences, whether you like it or not, that’s the reality. One example would be the catholic sex abuse cases we hear about every day, those priests thought they could live a life similar to Jesus by remaining celibate, but their repressed sexual desire manifested in sexual abuse of young church members. Similar cases are documented about leading evangelical figures who were caught with female/male prostitutes. In Sunni societies this is manifested in the sexual deviancy of of the population.
 
Yes temporary marriage for 1 hour is allowed, “…provided that you desire protection (from sin), not fornication…” as the Qur’an states.

One reason to do this could be so that the woman wouldn’t have to observe hijab in front of the man.

Some Sunni scholars attempted to provide a similar provision by allowing a woman to breastfeed / suckle a grown man. Quoting a hadith by Aisha. of course this caused a lot of controversy and upheaval in egypt. The sunni cleric who issued this fatwa eventually buckled under pressure and apologized for that view. There are however many sunni scholars who believe breastfeeding/suckling a grown man is a valid way of making a woman mahram to the man.

Also, thanks to SAM who posted the links of the different types of temporary marriages. Note that in Shia Islam we only have one type of temporary marriage, where the intent of being temporary is understood by the couple from the outset, it is honest and fair to both parties.

The sunnis however have at least 6 or 7 types of temporary marriages under different labels. All heavily sided towards the man. In some cases the man marries a woman with the secret intention of divorcing her, as long as this intention is between the man and his lord.

In all of this one thing is very clear, the conventional view of marriage alone is not practical to solve the various problems people face in society, this is the reason sunni clerics come up with clever and innovative ways to remediate the issue.

Muslim Woman and planten say this is not allowed yet their high scholars advocate it and many men do practice it. Maybe you both should preach against this practice and rectify the state of affairs in your faith first before preaching to us on how bad temporary marriage is.
 
Having read both Sunni and Shia stuff about this matter, it is easy to see that the Shia’s point is more valid.

Sunnis who call it prostitution must ask why did Muhammad/Allah allow prostitution and then changed his mind? is there something moral at one period and immoral the next period, all within a few years?
A question very well put. I’m also interested in reading the response to this.
 
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… is there something moral at one period and immoral the next period, all within a few years?
Take example of polygamy . Earlier there was no limit for men . So , we see several respected OT figures had wives & concubines upto 1000. Later God fixed a maximum limit for men —maximum 4 with conditions . Also Take examples of gambling , alcohol , lottery etc . Those were practised in the past but later those became illegal for the believers.

Temporary marriage which was practiced by some men & women even in the lifetime of the Prophet (pbuh) . May be , after the revealation of the those Quranic verses where God says how wife & husband are like garments for each other , how a believer must try to save the family members from hell fire , how one should pray to God to bless him with pious wife & children etc , Prophet (pbuh) forbade it till the last day. As this hadith goes with the ideas of a blessed marriage according to the holy Quran & the examples of the Prophet & mothers of the believers , no Muslim should go for temporary marriage .

And God Knows Best.
 
Take example of polygamy . Earlier there was no limit for men . So , we see several respected OT figures had wives & concubines upto 1000.
No matter how many times Christians here have explained to you, it still doesn’t seem to get registered in your head. Polygamy even in the OT has always been shunned - even Biblical kings paid a hefty price for their frivolous ways. It was tolerated, but it was never officially binding.
Later God fixed a maximum limit for men —maximum 4 with conditions .
God has always put the limit to one man and one woman since Genesis. It was greed that allowed men to have more than one wife.
Also Take examples of gambling , alcohol , lottery etc . Those were practised in the past but later those became illegal for the believers.
They are illegal to Muslims, but they are not illegal to Christians. Practising Christians know how to limit themselves and have no fear of temptation.
 
Take example of polygamy . Earlier there was no limit for men . So , we see several respected OT figures had wives & concubines upto 1000. Later God fixed a maximum limit for men —maximum 4 with conditions . Also Take examples of gambling , alcohol , lottery etc . Those were practised in the past but later those became illegal for the believers.
 
**InJesus and Cathopologist, you are closing your eyes to the the King Soloman ( a great Jew) for having 300 wives and 1000 concubines. How come? Did he not know the law. Did he disobey the law? King david had more than one wife. One very young girl was provided to king David in his very old and cold age to heat him up. But it did not work.

I do not believe you for what you are saying. You are just avoiding a serious discrepancy in your system and trying to blame Islam. That will not do.

I would like to know where did OT teach One wife for One man. I believe this is not true. Also there is nothing in the NT about One man one wife. At the time of Jesus, many people had more than one wife. Even Joseph the carpentar, the father of Jesus had two wives. One of them was Mary.

Previous to that Abraham had three wives. Jacob had two wives and two servant wives making it four wives who were all producing children. Do you want to deny any of those things? You cannot get away so easily with the theory of one man one wife which is not clearly stated in the bibleNT too. You have wrongly made it up.

It is useless to discuss any such thing with the Catholics who have no law about marriage or divorce or chastity.**
 
**InJesus and Cathopologist, you are closing your eyes to the the King Soloman ( a great Jew) for having 300 wives and 1000 concubines. How come? Did he not know the law. Did he disobey the law? King david had more than one wife. One very young girl was provided to king David in his very old and cold age to heat him up. But it did not work.

I do not believe you for what you are saying. You are just avoiding a serious discrepancy in your system and trying to blame Islam. That will not do.

I would like to know where did OT teach One wife for One man. I believe this is not true. Also there is nothing in the NT about One man one wife. At the time of Jesus, many people had more than one wife. Even Joseph the carpentar, the father of Jesus had two wives. One of them was Mary.

Previous to that Abraham had three wives. Jacob had two wives and two servant wives making it four wives who were all producing children. Do you want to deny any of those things? You cannot get away so easily with the theory of one man one wife which is not clearly stated in the bibleNT too. You have wrongly made it up.

It is useless to discuss any such thing with the Catholics who have no law about marriage or divorce or chastity.**
:eek: Did you even read what you just wrote? If so, what planet are you on - or what “herbs” are you ingesting/inhaling? Sometimes I think you are just purposely trying to get a reaction from Christians here because this post is just so far out there as to be absurd!
 
InJesus and Cathopologist, you are closing your eyes to the the King Soloman ( a great Jew) for having 300 wives and 1000 concubines. How come? Did he not know the law. Did he disobey the law? King david had more than one wife. One very young girl was provided to king David in his very old and cold age to heat him up. But it did not work.
planten, didn’t i mention even Biblical kings had to pay a hefty price for their frivolous ways? There is no doubt the kings practised polygamy for concupiscence reasons. I know you never read the Bible, rather depend on hearsay from your Imams on Christianity. Read 2 Samuel 11:2-27 and at the last verse, it says, “But the thing David had done displeased the Lord.”

“Thou shalt not commit adultery” - it does not only mean not courting your neighbour’s wives but also possession of other women to be your wives/partners. In the OT, such Biblical laws never really reached the conscience and ethos of that generation and many well-to-do Israelites took advantage of such situations, despite stiff penalties (Leviticus 20:10 and Deuteronomy 22:22) legislated from Our Lord Himself.
I do not believe you for what you are saying. You are just avoiding a serious discrepancy in your system and trying to blame Islam. That will not do.
planten does not believe in anything or anyone other than himself - everyone knows this. We have never avoided your sometimes offensive remarks or questions and have always answered each and everyone of them. It is you who has never followed up on our questions to you and always avoid it by mudslinging our religion.
I would like to know where did OT teach One wife for One man. I believe this is not true. Also there is nothing in the NT about One man one wife. At the time of Jesus, many people had more than one wife. Even Joseph the carpentar, the father of Jesus had two wives. One of them was Mary.
Do you always make up stories as you go? Is this how you are in person as well? If so, i can imagine you losing friends on a regular basis. Go read Genesis 1:27-28. God created a male and a female - to procreate. He did not create females for Adam to have pleasures of the flesh.
Previous to that Abraham had three wives. Jacob had two wives and two servant wives making it four wives who were all producing children. Do you want to deny any of those things? You cannot get away so easily with the theory of one man one wife which is not clearly stated in the bibleNT too. You have wrongly made it up.
‘Baby factories’ were tolerated during Biblical times, especially for kings and the wealthy so they could attain what they desired - male offsprings. Both Abraham and Jacob were not yet considered Jews at that time and the strict covenant laws had not yet come into effect. Try harder.
It is useless to discuss any such thing with the Catholics who have no law about marriage or divorce or chastity.
Is that why Muslim women all over the globe are trying to abolish polygamous marriages? Perhaps they know better how moral and chaste Muslim men really can be.
 
Planten,

Seems you didn’t understand the difference between practice and law. The Quran puts it a law that men can have up to 4 women in addition to unlimited number of slaves…in other words,Muhammad issued a law that gives men the green card to have as many women as they want, 4 as wives and any number they want as not- really-wives possessions. This is called a law.

Now you love to quote what some “practiced” in the OT. I kindly ask you to provide one single verse where God says " men can have up to 2, 3, 4 or insert the number you want. And there is surely no verse saying prophet x or y can have whatever he wants, and which does not apply to the rest of humans, as Muhammad shamefully declared.You will NOT find it. In other words, there is no law of polygamy but there were some polygamous “practices”. If you want to follow the practice of some, suit yourselves, but do not pretend it was a law because nowhere does God say than men are allowed this or that number of women and when God created Adam, He created one Eve, not a harem of women who took roles as if they were nothing but a number. So the Biblical laws are free from the lust Muhammad satisfied in the name of prophethood.
 
I’d like to get back on track with the topic and my question is to Sister Amy in particular.
you quoted a hadith where the prophet supposedly forbade temporary marriage at khaybar in 628A.D, then you quote another hadith where the prophet forbade it again in 630 A.D at the conquest of Makkah (almost 2 years later)

On the day of Khaibar, Allah’s Apostle forbade the Mut’a (i.e. temporary marriage) and the eating of donkey-meat.

now the second
Sabra al-Juhanni narrated: Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) ordered us to contract temporary marriage in the Year of Victory, as we entered Mecca, and we did not come out of it (Mecca) till he forbade us.

Both hadiths are in bukhari and considered authentic by sunnis, how do you reconcile the contradictions here. In 628 A.D he supposedly forbade it, then 2 years later he orders people to contract temporary marriage, then forbids it again. What is the rational behind these actions?

to complicate matters further, the prophet according to bukhari allowed temporary marriage again after the battle of Hunain, which took place after the conquest of Makkah

Narrated Iyas Ibn Salama on the authority of his father that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) gave sanction for contracting temporary marriage for three nights in the year of Autas (this was after the Battle of Hunain in 8H), and then forbade it.

Here we have it in chronological order
1 - Permitted temporary marriage until the year 628 A.D, then forbade it (at khaybar)

2 - Ordered people to contract temporary marriage in 630 A.D, then forbade it forever (at conquest of makkah)

3 - permitted temporary marriage after battle of Hunayn, and then forbade it (a few months after the conquest of Makkah)

What is the rationale behind flip flopping between the two orders, how can he say that God forbade it till the day of resurrection then permit it a few months later only to forbid it again.
Does this make any sense?

Muslim Woman, according to you temporary marriage is not allowed because it is not compatible with the ideals of marriage as you quote “God says how wife & husband are like garments for each other”. This verse is found in surah 2, as you know surah 2 was revealed in Madina, yet the hadiths report the prophet had allowed temporary marriage in Makkah, according your view the prophet was the first one to contravene these verses on marriage because he ORDERED people to contract temporary marriages in Makkah, while the verses you quote were revealed at a much earlier time.

can you please explain to me how you reconcile the contradictions above in a point-by-point basis
 
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…can you please explain to me how you reconcile the contradictions above in a point-by-point basis
Why you are keep looking for justification of getting married for 1 hour instead of having a pious life partner ?

Any hadith that goes against Quranic teaching can’t be accepted as truth . If there are 2 hadith …one says go for 1 hour marrige , another says it’s forbidden …then which one u think goes with the teaching of Quran ? why not read all the Quranic verses on marraige ? Also read about Prophet & Mothers of the believers .

Not a single person who was given the glad tiding of Paradise was married for 1 hour. Why then we go for 1 hour marriage ?

related verses:

‘O you who believer, protect yourselves and your families from a fire whose fuel is man and stones.’ (66:6)

And those who say: “Our Lord! Bestow on us from our wives and our offspring who will be the comfort of our eyes, and make us leaders for the Muttaqoon” (pious - see V.2:2 and the footnote of V.3:164)."

( سورة الفرقان , Al-Furqan, Chapter #25, Verse #74)
 
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Why you are keep looking for justification of getting married for 1 hour instead of having a pious life partner ?

Any hadith that goes against Quranic teaching can’t be accepted as truth . why not read all the Quranic verses on marraige ? Also read about Prophet & Mothers of the believers ? Not a single person who was given the glad tiding of Paradise was married for 1 hour. Why then we go for 1 hour marriage ?
Islam is a religion of reason, Allah (swt) demands from us to use our faculties of understanding and intellect to understand the world around us and our purpose in it. Therefore whatever I believe in has to make sense otherwise it’s blind faith, do you agree?

Let’s start by establishing some baselines, do you agree that Islam allowed temporary marriage at one time? and do you agree it was forbidden at a later time? if so, then when do you believe it was forbidden?
 
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… when do you believe it was forbidden?
Date does not matter . The important matter is Prophet (pbuh) is the role models for Muslims . Also for any Muslimah , mothers of the believers are examples. As they did not do that , why should we ?? 🤷

If u go for 1 hour marriage ,how will you pray to Allah : Our Lord! Bestow on us from our wives and our offspring who will be the comfort of our eyes, and make us leaders for the Muttaqoon ??
 
I can’t figure out how in the face of multiple prohibitions of mut’ah, anyone would still try to defend it as permissible.
 
If the rationale is to refrain from things the prophet did not do, then why did the he allow temporary marriage in the first place?
It was a practice of the people before Islam. Many such practices were allowed initially (by absence of prohibition) and then later forbidden.
 
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