The Ark of the Covenant in the New Testament

[Luvtosew]

Here’s what they say–just like you have your response to the verses about Mary:

Three names have merely been listed, and no instance of the word trinity in any bible. Obviously it came from a man made philosophy.

Jesus said himself, “The father is greater than I”

I don’t think he said equal to, did he not?

Jesus also said, “I and the Father are one” some Trinitarians also seem to cling to this as well.

Did he literally mean one? No, 'cause he would be contradicting himself from my quote above. They are one in purpose and in union with each other. He did the will of his Father Jehovah. He never did anything of his own initiative, he glorified his Father not himself.

If you want to baptize in all the nations ( Matthew 28:19 )

You need to be preaching the good news of the kingdom in all the inhabited earth as well ( Matthew 24:14 )

You can’t have one without the other source: answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20111216141740AA5BFcU.

See, Luv? Their response sounds just like yours–“it’s all man-made”.

Note: I am NOT saying that you are a JW. Only that you can offer verses to people, but if they refuse to see, they refuse to see.

Well we are Christians and we learned of the Trinity from the early Church with the Creeds (they apparently got that right- , and well it is biblical if one reads the Bible. After all the whole Bible is about our God.

but PR you just could of referred me to this website,

catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?id=6811&CFID=131454401&CFTOKEN=17439141

instead of writing it all out.

 

[mark_a]

I know the Church teaches venerate, not worship, but like I said there a fine line between the two, and it can get blurred.

Not when one has the most basic of the basics: God created Mary.

 

[Miriam1947]

Not to be overly technical, but they are three distinct, separate Persons Just not three distinct Beings.

Got it. I know that, I need to be clearer.

 

[PRmerger]

Well we are Christians and we learned of the Trinity from the early Church with the Creeds

YES!!! That’s exactly what I’ve been arguing here. You at first proposed that we learn our doctrines from the Scriptures, but I am heartened to see you acknowledge that we learn our doctrines from the Church!

:extrahappy::dancing::bounce:

but PR you just could of referred me to this website,

catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?id=6811&CFID=131454401&CFTOKEN=17439141

instead of writing it all out.

Not sure what you mean here. I did not write it all out. I cut and pasted from the website that I cited. Did you miss that I cited my source? Is that what you’re suggesting by your comment, that I didn’t actually write the info but stole it from another website?

Just to be clear, I cited my source. Perhaps you missed that.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Whoa… and a Creed, well, well, well. Thats not in the Bible Luv.

 

[Luvtosew]

YES!!! That’s exactly what I’ve been arguing here. You at first proposed that we learn our doctrines from the Scriptures, but I am heartened to see you acknowledge that we learn our doctrines from the Church!

I am aware you learn your doctrines from the Church, I’m saying I don’t believe in them all,
but even most Protestants agree with the Trinity. also the Scriptures can back up the Trinity.

:extrahappy::dancing::bounce: yes happy for you.

Not sure what you mean here. I did not write it all out. I cut and pasted from the website that I cited. Did you miss that I cited my source? Is that what you’re suggesting by your comment, that I didn’t actually write the info but stole it from another website?

Just to be clear, I cited my source. Perhaps you missed that. :shrug

yes I missed your souce, oh you did cut and paste-good . No I had read that site before so I know what you wrote was familiar.

 

[Luvtosew]

Whoa… and a Creed, well, well, well. Thats not in the Bible Luv.

Yes I think it is, even most Protestants think so.

I do admit its spread around, probably why so much controversy over it, but glad they figured it out.

 

[PRmerger]

I am aware you learn your doctrines from the Church, I’m saying I don’t believe in them all,
but even most Protestants agree with the Trinity. also the Scriptures can back up the Trinity.

You don’t believe them all. Okay.

That sounds decidedly like creating a god in YOUR own image, then, Luv. Don’t you think?

If you haven’t changed your views because of what God revealed, but rather decide that "God didn’t say " then what you have done is create a false god. One that fits with the things that YOU believe.

 

[Luvtosew]

You don’t believe them all. Okay.

That sounds decidedly like creating a god in YOUR own image, then, Luv. Don’t you think?

If you haven’t changed your views because of what God revealed, but rather decide that "God didn’t say " then what you have done is create a false god. One that fits with the things that YOU believe.

Nope, because I know many a Catholic who also don’t agree with the same things I don’t agree with, so sorry. No separate God, same God, just not same church beliefs.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Yes I think it is, even most Protestants think so.

I do admit its spread around, probably why so much controversy over it, but glad they figured it out.

Spread around a bit is it? Your church uses’s the Nicene Creed I assume?

 

[Luvtosew]

Spread around a bit is it? Your church uses’s the Nicene Creed I assume?

I’m RC but I’m quite sure Lutherans and Methodist do, but most Protestants believe in the Trinity.of course except for the Oneness ones.

I meant by spread around it although there are many verses, there is not one single one to lead one to the Trinity.

 

[ChrisRedfield47]

Thank you very much for the last two posts, really appreciated it.

No prob. Hey actually I don’t know why on the 3 links I posted, the last 2 aren’t working. Perhaps the YouTube account was closed…

Those 2 were such good videos.

 

[PRmerger]

Nope, because I know many a Catholic who also don’t agree with the same things I don’t agree with, so sorry.

This is called a non-sequitur, Luv. As in, “it does not follow”.

Just because lots of Catholics don’t agree with the same things as you doesn’t mean that all of you can’t have created a god in your own image.

All of these Catholics don’t like a particular thing that the Church says, but rather than conform themselves to what Christ has revealed (as we’ve already established, using MEN to reveal His Word), decide, “God didn’t really say…”

(BTW, those are the words of the serpent in the Garden of Eden. Didn’t he hiss, “Did God really say …”?)

I challenge you, Luv, to tell me if there’s been a truth that you’ve changed your mind and conformed to, simply because God said it.

I dare say that if you can’t answer yes, then you’ve truly created a god in your own image. One who agrees with everything that you happen to believe in. How convenient is that?

To be fair, I will share with you my own: I happen to wish that I could celebrate with my friends who have found happiness in second marriages. If I had my druthers I’d do away with Christ’s teaching that divorce and re-marriage is sinful. I don’t like that teaching one bit.

But, I know that** I have to change MY views,** not decide that “God didn’t really say…” because I want to go to my friends’ 2nd weddings.

So, is there a view that you would believe in if you were to create the rules, but you have changed it because God has said it should be another way?

 

[1voice]

Is this not like talking derogatory about someone in front of everyone, when everyone is aware of who your referring to,

I think its called gossip.

Don’t give me your siritual works of mercy, don’t want them.

 

[Luvtosew]

This is called a non-sequitur, Luv. As in, “it does not follow”.

Just because lots of Catholics don’t agree with the same things as you doesn’t mean that all of you can’t have created a god in your own image.

All of these Catholics don’t like a particular thing that the Church says, but rather than conform themselves to what Christ has revealed (as we’ve already established, using MEN to reveal His Word), decide, “God didn’t really say…”

(BTW, those are the words of the serpent in the Garden of Eden. Didn’t he hiss, “Did God really say …”?)

I challenge you, Luv, to tell me if there’s been a truth that you’ve changed your mind and conformed to, simply because God said it.

I dare say that if you can’t answer yes, then you’ve truly created a god in your own image. One who agrees with everything that you happen to believe in. How convenient is that?

To be fair, I will share with you my own: I happen to wish that I could celebrate with my friends who have found happiness in second marriages. If I had my druthers I’d do away with Christ’s teaching that divorce and re-marriage is sinful. I don’t like that teaching one bit.

But, I know that** I have to change MY views,** not decide that “God didn’t really say…” because I want to go to my friends’ 2nd weddings.

So, is there a view that you would believe in if you were to create the rules, but you have changed it because God has said it should be another way?

Not one from God, Please tell me your not going to attend your friends second marriage because she got a divorce?

So divorce and remarriage is black and white to you?

God said abortion is sin too, does that mean you would never talk or associate with anyone who had an abortion?
How about lie?
How about steal?
How about swear, envy, be addicted to something (adultry, not sexual)
lust, greed, pride, judgemental, unforgiving, etc.

 

[1voice]

You don’t believe them all. Okay.

That sounds decidedly like creating a god in YOUR own image, then, Luv. Don’t you think?

If you haven’t changed your views because of what God revealed, but rather decide that "God didn’t say " then what you have done is create a false god. One that fits with the things that YOU believe.

If you take the position that what you believe is what God said … then you would naturally conclude that any other position is a false god.

 

[LittleSoldier]

PRmerger;9182872:

II. Mary - the Immaculate Ark of the New Covenant

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Not in Bible about Mary being Ark, assumption.

Uzzah was not transporting Ark per instruction, irreverant act, … assumption and comparision

1 Chron. 13:9-10 - this is another account of Uzzah and the Ark. For God to dwell within Mary the Ark, Mary had to be conceived without sin. For Protestants to argue otherwise would be to say that God would let the finger of Satan touch His Son made flesh. This is incomprehensible.

Uzzah touched the Ark and was being moved on a cart. So we are to assume that Mary’s sin would enter into the baby Jesus, Jesus was also divine and hung was around sinners and never sinned, so this is also assumption.

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I Chron 15:12 Yes David showed reverance for the transport of the Ark, and celebrated when it came, once again, nothing to do with Mary.

Yes I"m aware of Isaiah saying this, she has no pain upon delivering Jesus.

Yes he wanted to give new birth and convert people to Christ, his mission.

No problem, but nothing once again to do with Mary.

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No problem, birth pain is commonly used today also.

Rev. 12:13-16

I think something is wrong with the quote function. I don’t know what you wrote and what others wrote. I keep seeing this all over the place; it must be a glitch in the software.

I hate to ask this as we’ve already had one run-in and I don’t want to appear uncharitable (really, I don’t ) but could we all make sure that our posts are correct before they are posted - like use the preview function?

 

[PRmerger]

Not one from God,

This means your answer is “No, I haven’t changed my views at all. God happens to agree with exactly the same things that I do!”

Think about that for a minute, Luv.

 

[PRmerger]

Please tell me your not going to attend your friends second marriage because she got a divorce?

I would love to.

But I can’t decide to change Christ’s words because of something I’d like to do.

How Christ explains it is that they’re committing adultery. So I can’t go to a ceremony that’s celebrating their adultery.

What one says before an altar, in front of God, ought to be taken very, very seriously, don’t you think? And if they did this the first time, announcing before God that they are making a VOW to be together, no man can dissolve it.

Now, I didn’t make this up. Jesus did. So if you have an issue with this, then you understand that you have an issue with Jesus, right?

 

[LittleSoldier]

You don’t want spiritual works of mercy?

Oh please - everyone! Please pray for me and tell me when I’m wrong and help me become a saint because all I want is to become a saint and to help others become saints. That is the only thing I have for me in this life on earth. I will take anything that will help me - spiritual acts of mercy, persecution (got some of that the other day from a police officer who told me that the Catholic Church is awful and evil because it has pedophile priests and when I opened my mouth to respond he said “I don’t want to discuss it.” He gagged me - that is persecution), martyrdom, suffering, pain, even that awful problem with being brain damaged and stupid…

as long as it gets me to heaven and helps me to help others.

I’ll take it all, every last bit of it and ask God to bless you for it.

And I will pray for those who don’t want those spiritual acts of mercy.