THE CAFETERIA IS CLOSED at St. John the Baptist School, Cost Mesa CA

[stumbler]

stumbler:

All they have to do to prevent harm to their children is not act out their gay impulses in public.

Hopefully it is obvious that I was referring to any “harm” that might be associated with the school policy. Equally obvious is that the real harm is caused, not by the school policy, but the gay men who persist in grave, public scandal.

 

[GloriaPatri4]

Related threads click on underlined links

Should active homosexuals be permitted to flaunt their lifestyle at a CatholicSchool?

Admitting children of same-sex couples to Catholic elementary schools

Would you permit your child to attend a party in a gay household ?

Bishop Brown answers my letter and sends one the same day to SJB pastor, 2-10-05.

 

[GloriaPatri4]

This is the second e-mail sent by a another influential parent at St. John’s. This was sent out I believe on May 9th or 10th.

mass e-mail from parent

Fellow SJB school parents and parishners,

Friday, May 6, 2005, Father Martin informed Sister Vianney and the staff of SJB Catholic school that he would implement a policy change in the parent handbook regarding two men who have children at SJB. In summary, it states that these men will not be allowed on campus together, for ANY reason. Because of this implementation of a new policy that Sister Vianney does not agree with, she stated that she is resigning her position immediately following the completion of the WASC accredidation. The emotional teachers at SJB questioned Fr. Martin on his stance. He clarified his position by stating that he would not be moved. There is no gray area. The men will not be allowed on campus together, so that they cannot attend events or sacraments that their children would receive in the future. The emotional staff retorted that when Sister Vianney is finished, so is every one of them. They stated that they could not work under such discriminatory policies. Therefore, I’m calling (writing) to ask you to respond to Fr. Martin in this way: We ask that you refuse to give your weekly tithing of money into the baskets at mass until this can be resolved. Fr. Martin has made it clear that he will not waiver. We ask that you make your viewpoint clear by withholding your hard earned money out the weekly collection. Feel free to contact Fr. Martin, or the diocese. We’re sure they would like to hear from the parishners and the parents of school children.

Sincerely,

 

[Lisa4Catholics]

This is the second e-mail sent by a another influential parent at St. John’s. This was sent out I believe on May 9th or 10th.

Boy they are really pushing that agenda aren’t they.Obedience, I guess isn’t that important to this parent:nope:

 

[GloriaPatri4]

Lisa4Catholics:

Boy they are really pushing that agenda aren’t they.Obedience, I guess isn’t that important to this parent:nope:

It’s only important to most of the parents at the school to show their obedience and loyalty to Sister.

Last night there was a prayer vigil/rosary on the school grounds. The purpose of the prayer vigil was to pray for sister’s job. A few people I know who were at the adjacent church witnessed a group (a mob) of parents (about 30 people) with their children in tow marching over to the rectory. This mob began banging on the front door while yelling and chanting. We will probably never hear about that in the news though.

 

[Lisa4Catholics]

GloriaPatri4:

It’s only important to most of the parents at the school to show their obedience and loyalty to Sister.

Last night there was a prayer vigil/rosary on the school grounds. The purpose of the prayer vigil was to pray for sister’s job. A few people I know who were at the adjacent church witnessed a group (a mob) of parents (about 30 people) with their children in tow marching over to the rectory. This mob began banging on the front door while yelling and chanting. We will probably never hear about that in the news though.

Good grief That is sickening and yes you won’t hear about it in the news because it would not suit what they are pushing As far as Sisters job goes she resigned because she did not agree with Fathers decision,she is having a rebellious fit and probably groveling over the mob incident Well the two parents that started this to push their agenda definately have succeeded in using these 2 children to push their agenda

 

[GloriaPatri4]

The flyer below was passed out by school parents to people as they were entering and exiting through the entrance to the parish carnival this last weekend.

from flyer distributed at parish carnival

SOS

SAVE OUR SCHOOL!

SAVE OUR SISTER!

 Did you know that Sister Vianney, beloved principal of St. John the Baptist School for the past 31 years, has not been offered a contract for next school year? This is long overdue! The future of our school is at stake.

 Please join us Monday, June 13 at 7 p.m. in Mary’s Grotto at SJB School for a prayer vigil.

 

[GloriaPatri4]

The news release below was sent to some newspapers and then e-mailed to St. John’s parents and parishioners.

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From St. John the Baptist School Auxiliary

News Release Contact: Suzi Brown
St. John the Baptist School 2005-06 Parent Auxiliary President

Parent Auxiliary

For Immediate Release

June 13, 2005

Costa Mesa, Calif — After 31 years of faithful and dedicated service as principal of St. John the Baptist (SJB) School, Sister Mary Vianney has not been offered a contract for the 2005-06 school year. Priests from the conservative Norbertine order have run the parish and school through a contract with the Diocese of Orange for the last three years. It is the Norbertines who have not offered Sister Vianney a contract and have offered no explanation to the parents. Parents have repeatedly asked SJB parish priests why Sister Vianney has not been offered a contract and have been told that the school is going “in another direction.” In fact, one parent was told that the Norbertines are going to “make the school Catholic,” implying that the school is not Catholic now.

Parents can only surmise that Sister Vianney is being fired because she felt it was morally wrong and discriminatory to enforce a policy that St. John the Baptist pastor Father Martin Benzoni plans to implement next school year. The policy does not allow a same sex couple with children enrolled at the school to be on school grounds together at the same time. This means that the couple could not attend teacher conferences, back to school night, or the myriad of other functions that all other families regularly attend at the school.

“We are devastated and heartbroken that after 43 years with St. John the Baptist School, Sister could be fired,” said Cathy Jo Liebel, past president SJB Parent Auxiliary (2003-2005). Sister Vianney is the heart and soul of St. John the Baptist and has touched the lives of thousands and thousands of students over the past four decades. After serving as an obedient servant to the Church and the Diocese for most of her adult life, the thought that Sister Vianney could being fired, is unthinkable.” (Sister Vianney taught for 12 years before being named principal.)

A prayer vigil in support of Sister Vianney will be held Monday, June 13 at 7 p.m. at St. John the Baptist School in Mary’s Grotto. Up-to-date information can be accessed at www.savesister.com.

A similar school takeover by the Norbertines happened in April 2001 at Archmere Academy in Delaware, when four administrators were fired without cause, setting off a parent and alumni frenzy.

 

[GloriaPatri4]

From St. John the Baptist School Auxiliary news release

News Release Contact: Suzi Brown
St. John the Baptist School 2005-06 Parent Auxiliary President

Parent Auxiliary

For Immediate Release

June 13, 2005

Costa Mesa, Calif — After 31 years of faithful and dedicated service as principal of St. John the Baptist (SJB) School, Sister Mary Vianney has not been offered a contract for the 2005-06 school year.

There has been no confirmation that Sister has not been offered a contract except from the parents who are challenging the Pastor’s authority. As far as we know it could be a rumor, except that it is sister who is telling people that she doesn’t have a contract, so I’ve been told.

From news release

Priests from the conservative Norbertine order

I wonder what they mean by “conservative” could it mean that the Norbertine priests follow and adhere to the true teachings of the Catholic Church?

have run the parish and school through a contract with the Diocese of Orange for the last three years. It is the Norbertines who have not offered Sister Vianney a contract and have offered no explanation to the parents. Parents have repeatedly asked SJB parish priests why Sister Vianney has not been offered a contract and have been told that the school is going “in another direction.” In fact, one parent was told that the Norbertines are going to “make the school Catholic,” implying that the school is not Catholic now.

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We can only pray that the school is going in another direction because it hasn’t been going in the right direction for a very long time. It is very sad to say but there are very few truly Catholic schools around these days.

From news release

Parents can only surmise that Sister Vianney is being fired

They are assuming she has been fired when in fact the only one that they’ve heard this from is Sister.

From news release

because she felt it was morally wrong and discriminatory to enforce a policy that St. John the Baptist pastor Father Martin Benzoni plans to implement next school year. The policy does not allow a same sex couple with children enrolled at the school to be on school grounds together at the same time. This means that the couple could not attend teacher conferences, back to school night, or the myriad of other functions that all other families regularly attend at the school.

“We are devastated and heartbroken that after 43 years with St. John the Baptist School, Sister could be fired,” said Cathy Jo Liebel, past president SJB Parent Auxiliary (2003-2005). Sister Vianney is the heart and soul of St. John the Baptist and has touched the lives of thousands and thousands of students over the past four decades. After serving as an obedient servant to the Church and the Diocese for most of her adult life, the thought that Sister Vianney could being fired, is unthinkable.” (Sister Vianney taught for 12 years before being named principal.)

A prayer vigil in support of Sister Vianney will be held Monday, June 13 at 7 p.m. at St. John the Baptist School in Mary’s Grotto. Up-to-date information can be accessed at www.savesister.com.

A similar school takeover by the Norbertines happened in April 2001 at Archmere Academy in Delaware, when four administrators were fired without cause, setting off a parent and alumni frenzy.

 

[Promotor_Fidei]

Thekla,

Thekla:

How can scandal be a sin? Causing one, perhaps. So the kids have activist parents. They have enough problems to deal with being adopted and having gay parents. How much is enough for these kids? Where does it say in Catholic teaching that we are to ostracize children or to make them feel unwanted because of their parents?

Stumbler has addressed scandal pretty well… it’s leading others into sin. Advocating sin publicly by example and publications fits that definition.

These activists are using the child as a shield against criticism. Should the Church be intimidated by such despicable tactics? I think not. We are called to witness to the truth. Not everyone will like that.

We should pray that the Holy Spirit come to St. John the Baptist and cause people to seek to conform to God’s will. Only then will peace reign.

Peace be to you.

 

[KathleenElsie]

Lisa4Catholics:

Why is it that nobody is angry with the activist parents using the kids to promote their agenda I can tell you now they put their children in a Catholic School to push their agenda and their kids are being abused and used

My thoughts exactly.:banghead:

Also why would the parish school take these children knowing there would be problems that the other children would be exposed to?:banghead:
It is not a matter of providing a Catholic education to the children IMHO. It is more a matter of NOT providing a Catholic education to anyone in the eyes of non-Catholic parents sending children to Catholic schools.

 

[fix]

One of the central issues here is that homosexuals should never be allowed to adopted children. All the terrible issues being discussed here would be avoided if our culture of death did not so readily embrace this new ideology of evil that embraces homosexual acts as good and homosexual adoption as reasonable.

How much farther can we fall as a culture?

 

[Steve_Andersen]

It is not the kid’s fault what their parents do
These kids are what 5 or 6?

Some parents feared that the boys were pawns in a larger campaign by gay and lesbian Catholics to gain acceptance within the church and worried that other children’s religious education would suffer if teachers avoided certain teachings to avoid making the boys uncomfortable.

non sequiter

I don’t recall Christ staying away from sinners because He thought that what He had to say might offend them.

They are there to be educated so educate them. If they have this much emotion swirling about them at age 5 they are going to need all they can get

Some parents accused school leaders of defying the teachings of the late Pope John Paul II, who in 2003 condemned marriage and adoption by same-sex couples….

Once again not the kids’ fault

… and urged school officials to require parents to sign a pledge to live by Catholic doctrine, which regards homosexual acts as sinful.

An interesting idea but unenforceable. While it may drive away the rare gay couple but what would be the implications for the heterosexuals who make up 99% of the parents?

Are we going to start checking peoples’ trash for condom wrappers or taking attendance at Mass? No. People would sign the pledge and go on their merry way as before. Only a few conspicuous acts would caught.

 

[fix]

Steve Andersen:

It is not the kid’s fault what their parents do
These kids are what 5 or 6?

non sequiter

I don’t recall Christ staying away from sinners because He thought that what He had to say might offend them.

They are there to be educated so educate them. If they have this much emotion swirling about them at age 5 they are going to need all they can get

Once again not the kids’ fault

An interesting idea but unenforceable. While it may drive away the rare gay couple but what would be the implications for the heterosexuals who make up 99% of the parents?

Are we going to start checking peoples’ trash for condom wrappers or taking attendance at Mass? No. People would sign the pledge and go on their merry way as before. Only a few conspicuous acts would caught.

It is all about scandal. These “parents” use these poor, poor children to further their agenda. The children are not the problem, the state that allows adoption by those with such an inclination is the problem.

These kids will have have bigger problems then anything associated with the school battle. They will be traumatized by the faux relationship of their “parents” and all that goes along with it.

 

[Thekla]

stumbler:

Whoa. Slow down there.

To understand scandal, start with the Catechism, specifically paragraphs 2284 through 2287. (about half way down this page)

How can scandal be a sin?
Well, for starters: “The person who gives scandal becomes his neighbor’s tempter. (ccc 2284)”

That’s what I thought. The original post says that they cannot present themselves as a couple and I asked what that meant. No one responded.

 

[gilliam]

Thekla:

That’s what I thought. The original post says that they cannot present themselves as a couple and I asked what that meant. No one responded.

sorry, I thought I was addressing the questions you asked, but Stumbler did a much better job of it. Let us know if you have any other questions

 

[StJeanneDArc]

Thekla:

That’s what I thought. The original post says that they cannot present themselves as a couple and I asked what that meant. No one responded.

Thekla, I don’t know if you read the threads from several months ago when we first discussed this incident. In that discussion GloriaPatri4 and I believe one other parent from this school informed us as to what exactly these two men were doing. I believe it included being listed as the two “fathers” in the school directory, one of them regularly volunteered in the kindergarten class as a teachers aide, the two of them attended Mass together, sometimes hand-in-hand, and they attended school functions together ast he two “dads”.

The whole point of creating this policy is not to ostracize the abused children in these men’s care, but to protect the other 500 children at the school. Can’t you see that two men introducing themselves as Johnny’s Dad and Johnny’s Dad would be pretty confusing for a child and create a whole set of questions that a parent would have to address? The other parents in the school have the right and duty to protect their children from exposure to a perverted lifestyle.

 

[CatQuilt]

fix:

One of the central issues here is that homosexuals should never be allowed to adopted children. All the terrible issues being discussed here would be avoided if our culture of death did not so readily embrace this new ideology of evil that embraces homosexual acts as good and homosexual adoption as reasonable.

Bingo!

 

[fix]

StJeanneDArc:

The other parents in the school have the right and duty to protect their children from exposure to a perverted lifestyle.

This is the most overlooked aspect of the debate. It is as if we have some authorty to write off all these children because two selfish, deceived men want to play out an agenda.

We tend to characterize these poor children in the custody of these men as being ill treated because some parents want to protect their children. IMO, we are approaching this issue in the wrong way. We should be demanding that our bishops and Catholic school officials not enroll children whose parents are publicly contradicting Church teaching. We should be demanding our civil authorities change the laws that allow homosexuals to have children in their custody.

 

[TPJCatholic]

Question:

Why would gay adults who have immorally adopted children want to send those children to a Catholic School, knowing that the Catholic faith considers their lifestyle to be mortally sinful? What is the purpose of doing that?