The Case for Impeachment Is Overwhelming | The American Conservative

[dvdjs]

The two things are completely different.

Agreed. That is why I am wondering where you have the idea that he is contesting Con gressionsal demands in court?

No, it is an absolute fact.

Nope. A stray here or there, but not “the democrats”.

Ah, now it is not just the KGB, but also the Chinese communist party??? What will come next? The Klingons?

Precisely. This inflammatory rhetoric is inappropriate at the very least.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Congress is not superior to the executive branch. They are co-equals. At the interstices of their rights the Courts are there to decide which must defer to the other. This administration asserted its rights to executive privilege. Schiff didn’t challenge it, possibly in order to be able to falsely claim “obstruction”. But as we know, the Senate won’t convict, so it’s all just theatre, aimed at turning voters against Trump. Whether it will or not remains to be seen, but so far it doesn’t seem to be working.

I will say that I, for one, am at least somewhat resentful of the Dems for wasting time and money on this fakery. They should pay for their own propaganda, not expect us taxpayers to do it.

 

[7_Sorrows]

My question is, from now on every time the demcrats lose an election, is this
what we have to look forward to?

Will our country be held hostage by a political party because they lost?

The democrats have been throwing a temper tantrum since the day after the
election when Hillary lost and they have been desperately looking for any way
to destroy him. They want to assure a victory in the 2020 election for themselves
so their last chance is this impeachment process. They have to keep bringing the
attention to themselves to show Trump might be president, but they are the ones
in power along with their liberal media friends and the rest of us “deplorables”
better accept it and get used to it!!!

 

[Ridgerunner]

My question is, from now on every time the demcrats lose an election, is this
what we have to look forward to?

They don’t intend to lose ever again. They’ll scare off most potential contenders and try to criminalize the rest.

 

[7_Sorrows]

Guinness:

The two things are completely different.

Agreed. That is why I am wondering where you have the idea that he is contesting Con gressionsal demands in court?

No, it is an absolute fact.

Nope. A sray here or hter, but not “the democrats”.

Ah, now it is not just the KGB, but also the Chinese communist party??? What will come next? The Klingons?

Precisely. This inflammatory rhetoric is inappropriate at the very least.

@dvdjs

Sorry, because of your typos, I can’t decipher your response to my post you quoted.

 

[7_Sorrows]

7_Sorrows:

My question is, from now on every time the demcrats lose an election, is this
what we have to look forward to?

They don’t intend to lose ever again. They’ll scare off most potential contenders and try to criminalize the rest.

@Ridgerunner

Like they do with the Supreme Court judge candidates.

 

[Metis1]

Some seem to conveniently forget the Republican response, including McConnell’s comment about their #1 priority, after Obama got elected.

Secondly, some seemingly either do not understand the Constitution’s mandate of the House’s right of oversight or they just don’t care what it says. Again, e.p. does not extend to closed House Intelligence depositions or hearings, so repeating that nonsense on this simply does not make it true.

Trump has made it abundantly clear that he views the “rule of law” as an obstacle to be surmounted, plus he has repeatedly spouted the nonsense that he “ can do anything I want as president” in accordance with Article II. Obviously to most I hope, it does not say that.

I guess some here will have to decide which is more important: Trump or the Constitution? Also, I guess they’ll also have to decide whether basic Catholic social teachings are important or whether they can be ignored as well? Maybe they should check out what the “Seven Deadly Sins” are within these basic Catholic teachings that Trump has perpetually done, and then maybe decide whether they really matter.

 

[7_Sorrows]

Guinness:

The two things are completely different.

Agreed. That is why I am wondering where you have the idea that he is contesting Con gressionsal demands in court?

No, it is an absolute fact.

Nope. A sray here or hter, but not “the democrats”.

Ah, now it is not just the KGB, but also the Chinese communist party??? What will come next? The Klingons?

Precisely. This inflammatory rhetoric is inappropriate at the very least.

With the collusion between the liberal media and the democrat party we might as well live in China or Russia. What we have witnessed since our president
was elected - “the resistance” - or as I see it - the “coup” - this no longer
feels like America.

 

[Jeanne_S]

Just keep praying that truth will out.rayray thatGod will bless this country as it was intended by our Founding Fathers A sovereign Nation under God,with liberty and just an for all.

 

[Nahar]

Congress is not superior to the executive branch.

Congress has the oversight authority. The courts declared plainly and openly that the president is NOT a king. Congress can impeach and remove the president, not the other way round.

Unfortunately the Senate will likely not remove the president, because they are scared out of their wits. But even the impeachment will leave an unerasable mark on his legacy. And a huge blow to his ego.

At least 50% of the voters would impeach and remove Trump from the presidency - an unheard of high number. About 40% would keep him, no matter what. I keep on remembering about the claim that Trump could shoot someone in broad daylight on the Fifth Avenue, and he would not lose even one vote of this base supporters. And that seems correct. Fortunately his base is somewhat under 40%… still extremely high, however.

 

[Jeanne_S]

Guess you haven’t been keeping up with current polls. Most and especially in battleground states have had it up to their gills with this nonsense

 

[7_Sorrows]

Just keep praying that truth will out.rayray thatGod will bless this country as it was intended by our Founding Fathers A sovereign Nation under God,with liberty and just an for all.

Yes, thank you Jeanne!! I pray daily for our president, vice-president and their
families and our country. I also pray for the truth to be revealed amid all the
deceipt and lies.

 

[dvdjs]

Sorry, because of your typos

Sorry. Fixed.

With the collusion between the liberal media and the democrat party we might as well live in China or Russia.

That is the story you may get from people looking to undercut a free press.
But if you will not get that perspective from people familiar with the Soviet system.

Garry Kasparov: I lived in the post-truth Soviet world and I hear its echoes World News

It was increasingly obvious back [in the Sovioet era], even to communist true believers, that what we were being told didn’t match the world we saw around us. … Eventually the disparity between truth and lies became too great; … Denying reality became too grave an insult to our dignity, an underestimated ingredient in the spirit of revolution. I have lived through several world-changing upheavals. I’m a post-Soviet citizen… We enjoyed less than a decade of tenuous freedom in Russia before Vla…

us “deplorables”

What makes you think you are in that category?
Are you sexist, racist, homophobic, Islamophobic and/or xenophobic?
Those were the stated attributes.

 

[PaulinVA]

My question is, from now on every time the democrats lose an election, is this
what we have to look forward to?

I think you know this isn’t true. No President has ever been like Donald Trump. It’s all about Trump, not losing an election. It’s all about how Trump acts, the company he keeps, what he says, how he conducts the business of the country.

Will our country be held hostage by a political party because they lost?

Once again, you know this isn’t true. While I am very sad for the partisanship that is tearing this country apart, both parties are at fault. Not only in the impeachment context, but in governing in general.

They want to assure a victory in the 2020 election for themselves
so their last chance is this impeachment process. They have to keep bringing the
attention to themselves to show Trump might be president, but they are the ones
in power along with their liberal media friends and the rest of us “deplorables”
better accept it and get used to it!!!

More rhetoric. Thanks, but I couldn’t follow the last couple of sentences.

 

[Guinness]

If the case were overwhelming, you wouldn’t have Trump looking like a good bet for re-election in less than a year.

 

[dvdjs]

If the case were overwhelming, you wouldn’t have Trump looking like a good bet for re-election in less than a year.

Why on earth do you think that?
It is clear, as Larison pointed out:

The president’s defenders have answered loudly that they will tolerate corruption of the presidency.

 

[Theo520]

In legal terms, this is called “assuming a fact that has not yet been established”. It makes me wonder if the author of the headline knows what “overwhelming” actually means.

The author certainly failed to support the strong opinion expressed,

the burden of proof regarding the truthfulness of a claim lies with the one who makes the claim; if this burden is not met, then the claim is unfounded, and its opponents need not argue further in order to dismiss it.

that’s called poor writing.

 

[Jeanne_S]

Not would his poll numbered be higher than Obama’s at this very same time in his tenure , ,nor would 52 percent oppose his impeachment and nor would battleground states be leaning in his favor .lastly nor would moderate Dems on shaker ground be calling for censure rather than impeachment. But hey keep the delusion going to safe face.

 

[dvdjs]

Not would …

Among all of the unsubstantiated numbers in the post, it is worth noting that Trump’s approval is now lower at this point in the presidency than all former presidents back to and including Truman - including Jimmy Carter.

How Popular Is Donald Trump? | FiveThirtyEight

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[Guinness]

The president’s defenders have answered loudly that they will tolerate corruption of the presidency.

Where did they announce that? I mean, I’m one of his defenders, and I don’t recall proclaiming loudly, or softly, anything close to that. Can you name some names and cite some sources?