The Duggars Respond to Reports That Josh Duggar Was Accused of Child Molestation

  • Thread starter Thread starter DakiniArtist
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
KendraDZ1902 said:
I never said it wasn’t a sin. But it is consensual
Click to expand...
Yet you keep on attempting to defend it by calling it “consensual”.

I had a member of my extended family commit adultery. It caused much emotional harm in our family. It led to a divorce that our family had to deal with and it divided our family for a period of time. Many individuals of my family had to deal with emotional hurt that resulted from the “consensual actions” of two individuals. The spouse of the person who committed adultery is just now getting his life back on track and it has been over six years since the adultery occurred. Sin leads to hurt, pain, and heartbreak. It doesn’t matter what type of sin it is.

You know how our family was able to move forward Kendra? Forgiveness and mercy. We had to embrace forgiveness and mercy while allowing our family time to heal. That is what we should offer to the Duggars and that is what we should pray for concerning the victims in this situation as well as the Duggars. Harsh judgments and accusations help no one.
 
KendraDZ1902 said:
People are downplaying it. Saying that his victims were asleep, they didn’t even know. Or that he was “just a child”
Click to expand...
Well, he was just a child. He was a minor and we should keep that in mind.

However, yes, that doesn’t excuse the behavior.
 
KendraDZ1902 said:
Supposedly, this is what the Duggars use for sex abuse. It is supposed to be from Gothard’s homeschooling. Yep, keep supporting these losers. Their kids need to be taken away.

rebelmouse.com/BenSmith/1159149723.html
Click to expand...
The key words in your post are supposedly. This is a list of points for discussion. There is no proof that this is what the Duggars used.

What happened to these girls, is not what happened to you or me. When I have watched the Duggars on t.v. and personally watched them interact at a public gathering on the town square, I perceive a naive innocence about them. They love their children and are gentle people. I think they did everything they knew how to do. They made Josh apologize even though the girls didn’t realize he deliberately touched them. All of them thought his touch was accidental except the one girl who had already been told that it was not.

I don’t agree with how they raise their children. I don’t think that any harm will come to the children if they stay with their parents.

Arkansas has a 3 year statute of limitations after discovery or 3 years after the victim turns 18. The article conveniently left out the second part.

This how the Duggars handled it:
  1. When Josh, who was 13 at the time, told his parents what he had done, his parents had him apologize to his sisters and tell them that he had wronged them. His one sister who was awake at the time of one of the incidents replied that she thought he had simply taken the blanket off of her and walked away with it. The sisters accepted his apology and forgave him.
  2. Then Jim Duggar reported the incident to the church elders. One of the church elders was a Chaplain at a local mental health facility for juveniles. The church elder felt that the other children in the facility would be a bad influence on Josh and might make the situation worse. He suggested that Jim Duggar find a Christian facility.
  3. Jim Bob, being the father in a patriarchal family, found a Christian Ministry program in Little Rock, which was several hundred miles away. He sent Josh there for 4 months. He said that he thought that Josh was receiving counseling and hard labor. (In Arkansas, you do not need to be a licensed counselor to be a “Christian Counselor”.) Since he was the father, he made the arrangements.
  4. When Josh returned four months later, Mr. Duggar took Josh to the State Troopers head quarters to talk to a State Trooper who used to do State Inspections at the Duggar family car dealership. He explained to the trooper what had Josh had done. The Trooper gave Josh a stern lecture. The Trooper chose not to pursue the matter and told them that the program Josh had been through was enough.
  5. The girls said Josh never touched them again. Josh is 27 and there have been no other reported incidences.
I think that they did what they thought was right. They didn’t try to cover it up and pretend that it didn’t happen. Maybe we don’t agree with how things were handled, but they did what they thought they were supposed to do. I don’t think that their children should be taken away from them.
 
Tiber_Pilgrim said:
Yet you keep on attempting to defend it by calling it “consensual”.

I had a member of my extended family commit adultery. It caused much emotional harm in our family. It led to a divorce that our family had to deal with and it divided our family for a period of time. Many individuals of my family had to deal with emotional hurt that resulted from the “consensual actions” of two individuals. The spouse of the person who committed adultery is just now getting his life back on track and it has been over six years since the adultery occurred. Sin leads to hurt, pain, and heartbreak. It doesn’t matter what type of sin it is.

You know how our family was able to move forward Kendra? Forgiveness and mercy. We had to embrace forgiveness and mercy while allowing our family time to heal. That is what we should offer to the Duggars and that is what we should pray for concerning the victims in this situation as well as the Duggars. Harsh judgments and accusations help no one.
Click to expand...
Yeah, well, just think how hard it would have been if these people were sexually abused and not committing adultery.
It is a very, very big difference. I haven’t harshly judged him. I never said that he should be tortured or that it should happen to him, I never said he should rot in Hell. Never, ever harshly judged him, just will not defend him.
 
Tiber_Pilgrim said:
Yet you keep on attempting to defend it by calling it “consensual”.

I had a member of my extended family commit adultery. It caused much emotional harm in our family. It led to a divorce that our family had to deal with and it divided our family for a period of time. Many individuals of my family had to deal with emotional hurt that resulted from the “consensual actions” of two individuals. The spouse of the person who committed adultery is just now getting his life back on track and it has been over six years since the adultery occurred. Sin leads to hurt, pain, and heartbreak. It doesn’t matter what type of sin it is.

You know how our family was able to move forward Kendra? Forgiveness and mercy. We had to embrace forgiveness and mercy while allowing our family time to heal. That is what we should offer to the Duggars and that is what we should pray for concerning the victims in this situation as well as the Duggars. Harsh judgments and accusations help no one.
Click to expand...
I think you’ll be hard pressed trying to find too many normal people who think sexual abuse of minor children who are siblings… has the same moral pathology as adultery between two consenting adults?
 
Tiber_Pilgrim said:
Well, he was just a child. He was a minor and we should keep that in mind.

However, yes, that doesn’t excuse the behavior.
Click to expand...
NO. He was a teen. There are different levels of development and teens are older than a mere child. He was old enough to be home alone, he was old enough to babysit. Heck, teens can go into the medicine cabinet and take something for a headache without mommy’s consent or help. He wasn’t a child.
 
Havard said:
I never presumed Josh Duggar needs or doesn’t need treatment. That would be for a mental health professional to answer. I said he should find out. If you think this is bad advice for him, well then we happen to disagree.

As for your comments about the statute of limitations and his age, there is what one should do and then there is what the law requires. Sometimes the latter doesn’t even meet the bare minimum of what one ought to do. When I post about this issue, I speak of what I think one ought to do. Not what the justice system mandates.
Click to expand...
So you are saying that he should do this for himself in case he is a pervert and doesn’t know it?

If it’s something he wants to do, then I say go for it.

I don’t think that the “government or law” should force him to.
 
Tiber_Pilgrim said:
Yes, he was a minor. Teenagers are minors. He was not an adult.

There is a reason our legal system treats minors differently from adults.
Click to expand...
They aren’t always treated differently. And again, teens are capable of doing a lot more than a child. Minors go to jail all the time. Minors have criminal records that follow them for life. Teens can be bad, bad people.
 
Faith1960 said:
This news about Josh explains some things odd about the family, for example, why they wear those ridiculous getups to go swimming, even when it’s just the family, alone.
One of the parents said something about not stirring up feelings.:rolleyes:
Click to expand...
Yeah, if only Josh had seen his sisters in thong bikinis.:rolleyes:
 
KendraDZ1902 said:
Others have confirmed in this thread, keep reading, bud.
Click to expand...
I am not a bud. I am a woman. I think your personal pain is obstructing your ability to read clearly.

This situation is not like yours.

If the Duggars said they used the talking points you provided, then I missed the citation for that. Could you please show me that citation again?

BTW my brother was 14 when he molested me. I was 6.
 
Galnextdoor said:
I am not a bud. I am a woman. I think your personal pain is obstructing your ability to read clearly.

This situation is not like yours.

If the Duggars said they used the talking points you provided, then I missed the citation for that. Could you please show me that citation again?

BTW my brother was 14 when he molested me. I was 6.
Click to expand...
It’s also quite possible that you’ve repressed your personal pain in a way that affects the normal horrified reaction one has to the news of the sexual abuse of a minor child by a brother. That is really not unusual for abuse victims to do.
 
Galnextdoor said:
I am not a bud. I am a woman. I think your personal pain is obstructing your ability to read clearly.

This situation is not like yours.

If the Duggars said they used the talking points you provided, then I missed the citation for that. Could you please show me that citation again?

BTW my brother was 14 when he molested me. I was 6.
Click to expand...
You can go back and look through the thread. I don’t do homework for others. It was confirmed by one and another person posted a different link with the same form on it, with other things. They use that particular homeschooling plan.
 
LongingSoul said:
It’s also quite possible that you’ve repressed your personal pain in a way that affects the normal horrified reaction one has to the news of the sexual abuse of a minor child by a brother.
Click to expand...
:dts:

Now a poster has repressed personal pain because she chooses to look at this situation from a different perspective than you?

Goodness.
 
LongingSoul said:
It’s also quite possible that you’ve repressed your personal pain in a way that affects the normal horrified reaction one has to the news of the sexual abuse of a minor child by a brother. That is really not unusual for abuse victims to do.
Click to expand...
I agree. Most should be disgusted by this.
 
Tiber_Pilgrim said:
Yet you keep on attempting to defend it by calling it “consensual”.

I had a member of my extended family commit adultery. It caused much emotional harm in our family. It led to a divorce that our family had to deal with and it divided our family for a period of time. Many individuals of my family had to deal with emotional hurt that resulted from the “consensual actions” of two individuals. The spouse of the person who committed adultery is just now getting his life back on track and it has been over six years since the adultery occurred. Sin leads to hurt, pain, and heartbreak. It doesn’t matter what type of sin it is.

You know how our family was able to move forward Kendra? Forgiveness and mercy. We had to embrace forgiveness and mercy while allowing our family time to heal. That is what we should offer to the Duggars and that is what we should pray for concerning the victims in this situation as well as the Duggars. Harsh judgments and accusations help no one.
Click to expand...
Kendra is not defending adultery, she is stating that sexual sins that involve forcing sexual acts on people are worse than sexual sins involving consensual sex.

That is no more a “defense” of adultery, than I would be “defending” physical assault by stating that a physical assault that is intended to cause the death of the victim, is worse than a physical assault that is intended just to cause minor injuries that the victim will recover from in a week or two. Both are bad, but I think most people would agree that shooting a man in the face is worse than punching a man in the face.

I also think (though some may disagree) that killing a man who is begging you to spare his life, is worse than assisting the suicide of a man begging you to help him die. That does not mean I support assisted suicide.

I think it’s also telling that Jesus Himself forgave the adulteress who had sex with ADULT men, yet singled out “causing little ones to sin” as a sin worthy of death by drowning.
 
And what about Anna? She knew about this and still chose to continue to courtship and marry him. Was she so afraid that in HER sheltered life she’d never find a good man?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top