The Duggars Respond to Reports That Josh Duggar Was Accused of Child Molestation

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I hate to link to In Touch magazine but since it’s the publication that filed the Freedom of Information Act request, it’s the one that has a link to the full report:

intouchweekly.com/posts/bombshell-duggar-police-report-jim-bob-duggar-didn-t-report-son-josh-s-alleged-sex-offenses-for-more-than-a-year-58906

No one said there was more than one report. I simply noted that the first encounter with the police was incredibly flawed and that later (in the same report) Michelle denied that Josh had been sent to an actual counselor. I’ve read the report in its entirety. It would be fabulous if you’d pay close attention to what I write, as you’ve twice now assumed I wrote things that I didn’t write. (Please reread what you wrote. You said that the program was supposedly run out of an Old Veteran’s Hospital no “building” in the sentence. That’s why I bolded the word. You also said that Michelle said “in a later report.” Perhaps they were both typos on your part. If they were, please forgive me.

I’m definitely very sorry that these things happened to you. I don’t think I ever indicated that you were condoning molestation? That doesn’t, however, mean that you aren’t mistaken about the severity of what took place and what should have happened afterward.
I have only stated what was in the report. I don’t know what you may have read into the girls words. The one girl who was awake stated that when Josh Dugger took the blanket off her, she did not realized he had touched her breast. She thought he just took the blanket off of her. The other incident in the laundry the little girl said she had a hole in the seat of her jeans. She was wearing a skirt over the jeans. He touched the hole and told her she had a hole in the seat of her jeans right there. He should not have done that. The officer asked if he touched skin through the hole. At first she said yes, but then she said she didn’t really remember the incident. One of her siblings told her about it. I have wondered that possibly Josh may have been overly scrupulous, because of the no touching between the neck and knees policy that his parents had. Josh is the one who said that he did these things. The one girl did say he touched while she was sitting on the arm of his chair reading a book. The other children in the room didn’t see it. Her parents had previously told her that Josh had touched the other girls and if it happened to her she should tell them.
Other people are speculating that he did much worse than what the police report implies.I am simply offering another perspective. In all instances that I read about, the touch was brief and through the clothes All of these incidents were treated as forcible fondling. /

Wow, I can’t disagree enough. For all that Christians endure here in the US, atheists are the most hated cultural group. Americans would rather their children marry terrorists than atheists (really). (Please cite this study. I have never read that before. It sounds like it would be an interesting read. Or is this simply speculation on your part? This family is being singled out because it chose to speak out publicly about moral issues while simultaneously hiding this big fat secret. They didn’t try to hide it. They told their church. They told the man who ran the Christian Ministry that was over 200 miles from their home. They went to the state Trooper’s office and told him. The State trooper chose not to pursue it. They knew him because he did State Inspections at their dealership. Also, how do you separate their morality from their Christian beliefs? I think this would never had been leaked had they not been Christians. Woody Allen, who is lauded in the press, still makes movies and receives awards. Read his bio on Wikipedia. He was a father figure to the girl. He adopted her siblings, before he became involved and married her. The judge forbid him from seeing the other children. Yet he is held up as a Hollywood icon. No one is calling for his head on a platter.
I am not trying to protect him or say he didn’t do anything. He should never have touched his sisters. All I am saying is that some people are going to the extreme about what he did. Believe me, I know all about the severity of child molestation and I am not trying to minimize it. I think that each case should be examined by the facts. Not by what people assumed must have really happened.
 
These Gothard materials are definitely sickening. I hope non-christians realise not all christians view sexual abuse in the this way.

One of the more sickening parts of the manual was:
“Why did God let this happen?
Result of Defrauding by immodest dress”
As if God is going around using sexual abuse to punish immodest dress.

This part made me want to throw up a little in my mouth:
“She and I have talked about it. She explained to me that she had no idea how visual male sexuality is, compared to women who are mainly by touch. I am so grateful my parents have changed so much of this area in our home. This was not a major reason for the offending, but it allowed my little sister to be open to what I made her do. I don’t think so much teaching was necessary because everyone was so young. However, a different lifestyle, with more modesty, might have prevented what happened.”
 
Actually, Jim bob and Michelle both went to college and joined this cult as mature adults. They can’t claim ignorance. Not even close.

And yes, they made no secret their affiliation with ATI/Gothard. It was featured in the show numerous times and on their website…and their books. It is a fact.
They joined this cult as adults, yes. To my knowledge, neither attended college. They didn’t speak about it, if they did, in their books and I can’t find any source that says they did. :confused:
 
👍 Also, I would not be surprised if Josh has been abused as a minor.
I am not sure why they didn’t look into that. Once a child begins to act out sexually and begins to do sexually molest others, they usually try to find out if some abuse had occurred.
 
They joined this cult as adults, yes. To my knowledge, neither attended college. They didn’t speak about it, if they did, in their books and I can’t find any source that says they did. :confused:
I’m pretty certain that they did. Or at least Jim bob. Did.
 
I am not trying to protect him or say he didn’t do anything. He should never have touched his sisters. All I am saying is that some people are going to the extreme about what he did. Believe me, I know all about the severity of child molestation and I am not trying to minimize it. I think that each case should be examined by the facts. Not by what people assumed must have really happened.
Yes, I left out the word “building.” You’ll note, however, that I was at least quoting from the police report. This is more than I’ve seen you attempt. And I didn’t say that Michelle said anything in a “later report.” I said “Michelle later said.” Maybe you’re the one who needs to go back and read what I wrote.
I have wondered that possibly Josh may have been overly scrupulous
:eek:

As for the rest, I honestly can’t take the time to cut and paste your comments from another window in my browser so I can respond to them. The forum handily provides a quote feature – as I said before, placing your comments within the quote of my comments and only using a different color to delineate makes responding nightmarish.
 
I’m pretty certain that they did. Or at least Jim bob. Did.
Again, not that I know of. He worked a series of jobs after marrying Michelle at the age of 19 and had his real estate license. But I’ve never seen or heard anything indicating a college background.
 
These Gothard materials are definitely sickening. I hope non-christians realise not all christians view sexual abuse in the this way.

One of the more sickening parts of the manual was:
“Why did God let this happen?
Result of Defrauding by immodest dress”
As if God is going around allowing sexual abuse to punish immodest dress.

This part made me want to throw up a little in my mouth:
“She and I have talked about it. She explained to me that she had no idea how visual male sexuality is, compared to women who are mainly by touch. I am so grateful my parents have changed so much of this area in our home. This was not a major reason for the offending, but it allowed my little sister to be open to what I made her do. I don’t think so much teaching was necessary because everyone was so young. However, a different lifestyle, with more modesty, might have prevented what happened.”
The person who wrote the article assumes that because the Duggars were associated with Gothard.'s homeschooling system that this is what was used for counseling. Also, he assumes how the talking points were used to blame the victim. Maybe they were. Maybe they weren’t. Maybe the place where the Duggars sent Josh used this as a basis for counseling, maybe they didn’t. This is pure speculation based on the writer’s perception of what their church is like. Gothard was not their pastor or an elder in their church. All of this is speculation based on the fact that the Duggars used Gothard’s homeschooling materials and spoke at some conferences. To me it smacks of what some people have to say about all Catholic priests and molestation. It is taking a fact and making all sorts of speculations and assumptions about what might possibly be.

I think that the material’s that have been attributed to Gothard are atrocious and best used in the fireplace.
 
The person who wrote the article assumes that because the Duggars were associated with Gothard.'s homeschooling system that this is what was used for counseling. Also, he assumes how the talking points were used to blame the victim. Maybe they were. Maybe they weren’t. Maybe the place where the Duggars sent Josh used this as a basis for counseling, maybe they didn’t. This is pure speculation based on the writer’s perception of what their church is like. Gothard was not their pastor or an elder in their church. All of this is speculation based on the fact that the Duggars used Gothard’s homeschooling materials and spoke at some conferences. To me it smacks of what some people have to say about all Catholic priests and molestation. It is taking a fact and making all sorts of speculations and assumptions about what might possibly be.
Alas, if only any of that were true.

patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2015/05/22/the-clinic-josh-duggar-attended-was-started-by-a-man-accused-of-sexually-harrassing-dozens-of-women/
 
The person who wrote the article assumes that because the Duggars were associated with Gothard.'s homeschooling system that this is what was used for counseling. Also, he assumes how the talking points were used to blame the victim. Maybe they were. Maybe they weren’t. Maybe the place where the Duggars sent Josh used this as a basis for counseling, maybe they didn’t. This is pure speculation based on the writer’s perception of what their church is like. Gothard was not their pastor or an elder in their church. All of this is speculation based on the fact that the Duggars used Gothard’s homeschooling materials and spoke at some conferences. To me it smacks of what some people have to say about all Catholic priests and molestation. It is taking a fact and making all sorts of speculations and assumptions about what might possibly be.

I think that the material’s that have been attributed to Gothard are atrocious and best used in the fireplace.
I meant to only comment on the counselling manual and its contents. I don’t even know if this was used to counsel the girls or Josh. I was not assuming as the writer did that this was the material used.
 
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These Gothard materials are definitely sickening. I hope non-christians realise not all christians view sexual abuse in the this way.

One of the more sickening parts of the manual was:
“Why did God let this happen?
Result of Defrauding by immodest dress”
As if God is going around using sexual abuse to punish immodest dress.
The Duggars have said that immodest dressing causes lust in others, making it sound like these people won’t be able to control themselves or something. Its like they are putting the burden of chastity on the girls by how they dress. Btw, I feel far more modest wearing jeans or pants rather than skirts or dresses.
 
Yes, I left out the word “building.” You’ll note, however, that I was at least quoting from the police report.Actually, the police report said “old Veteran’s Hospital building” which is the correct quote. If it was a typo on your part, just admit it instead of being hateful. This is more than I’ve seen you attempt. If you don’t believe I have been quoting from the report.Please read it again.And I didn’t say that Michelle said anything in a “later report.” I said “Michelle later said.” Maybe you’re the one who needs to go back and read what I wrote. Maybe you are quoting the article and not the actual report.

:eek:

As for the rest, I honestly can’t take the time to cut and paste your comments from another window in my browser so I can respond to them. The forum handily provides a quote feature – as I said before, placing your comments within the quote of my comments and only using a different color to delineate makes responding nightmarish./QUOTE Actually, it is no problem. Just hit the quote button and it pulls up what I said.

You however did the same thing to me that you told me not to do to you when you made the previous response to this post so I returned the favor. Not very Christian. I apologize, but since I just explained how to use the quote button. It shouldn’t be a problem.

As for not responding to what I said about your statement that people would rather their children married terrorists rather than atheists. Surely, you can provide the study or report that supports what you stated.
 
You however did the same thing to me when you made the previous response to this post so I returned the favor.
I have no idea to what you’re referring.

If you’re so comfortable with the police report, please feel free to look up how it describes Michelle’s statements. I believe it’s on pg. 30, as I stated earlier.
As for not responding to what I said about people would rather their children married terrorists rather than atheists. Surely, you can provide the study or report that supports what you stated.
You do have Google available, yes? This point is hardly the theme of this thread. Feel free to research on your own, however. Atheists are by far the most hatred group in America. But if you’d prefer to believe that Christians occupy that spot, enjoy.
 
I have no idea to what you’re referring. Post #551 takes pieces of what I said and intersperses it with your opinions. Unless it is the color of the font that you don’t like. If so I appologize.

If you’re so comfortable with the police report, please feel free to look up how it describes Michelle’s statements. I believe it’s on pg. 30, as I stated earlier.

You do have Google available, yes? This point is hardly the theme of this thread. Feel free to research on your own, however. Atheists are by far the most hatred group in America. But if you’d prefer to believe that Christians occupy that spot, enjoy.
I think you do protest too much. You made it a point of your post, but you can’t support it with anything.

It appears that you have started to attack me rather than talk about what the report actually says.
 
I think you do protest too much. You made it a point of your post, but you can’t support it with anything.
Are you serious? This thread is about Josh Duggar and you find it necessary to focus on one tangential comment to this degree? That seems to say so much about your own positions and their weaknesses. You claim that this is only a story because the Duggars are Christians and you further claim that if they were atheists, no one would care. And yet reputable studies from Pew and others clearly show how hated atheists are in the US. This alone calls your claim into serious question.
 
Are you serious? This thread is about Josh Duggar and you find it necessary to focus on one tangential comment to this degree? That seems to say so much about your own positions and their weaknesses. You claim that this is only a story because the Duggars are Christians and you further claim that if they were atheists, no one would care. And yet reputable studies from Pew and others clearly show how hated atheists are in the US. This alone calls your claim into serious question.
Please, if you make a claim, show a citation. I said I thought this was leaked because the Duggars were Christians in my first post. I didn’t state it was fact. You are claiming fact with no citation. Please. I’m very interested in this report that you say is out there somewhere. Please provide a link.
 
And Woody Allen
But the fact that these men have molested children isn’t ignored by the media. In fact it is pretty widely known. I am aware of it and I am pretty ignorant when it comes to stuff related to Hollywood.
 
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I disclosed some details of my abuse experience on another thread. My situation involved a friend of mine and me being victimized at the same time.

What people are missing is that when you and your friend are both victims, there are (or were, for me) incredibly mixed feelings about guilt and responsibility, as well as suffering. In my case the abuse happened at my friend’s house. My reaction ranged from “she got me into this” to “I really wish they would hurt me and leave her alone b/c she’s my friend” in other words, from wanting to escape to martyrdom.

Someone said, the hurt of someone you love is always harder to bear than your own and for me that was both true and not true. And none of this comes up for people who are lone victims of child sexual abuse - although that of course is very painful. And every situation has elements that may make it easier or harder than other things, comparison is impossible.

Learning about other victims later on also hurts. All child abuse is painful in its own way and I wish healing for everyone.
 
But the fact that these men have molested children isn’t ignored by the media. In fact it is pretty widely known. I am aware of it and I am pretty ignorant when it comes to stuff related to Hollywood.
Yes, but the difference is that he continues to make movies, receives awards, and is lauded in the press. He is a grown man and if you look at Wikipedia bio, he seems proud of what he did.
 
Please, if you make a claim, show a citation. I said I thought this was leaked because the Duggars were Christians in my first post. I didn’t state it was fact. You are claiming fact with no citation. Please. I’m very interested in this report that you say is out there somewhere. Please provide a link.
This obsession is kind of creepy. Is it enough for you to know that Americans distrust and dislike atheists more than any other group or not?
 
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