THE ELEPHANT IN THE CHURCH a Catholic priest speaks out against homosexual priests

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Lisa N:
Scout if you are referring to my post (there are several Lisas here) you obviously didn’t read it very well. I said specifically that a) the priest abuse scandal was a homosexual problem not a pedophile problem and b) not all and not even most homosexuals are pedophiles although statistically they are are overrepresented with respect to their percentage in the total population.

Would you please read the post and respond?

Lisa N
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I did read your post, and I disagree with you. I don’t care what a biased report says. The scandal in the Church was a pedophile problem, not a homosexual problem. There’s not the same. And most of the victims were children, they just began the accusations as adults.

Scout :tiphat:
 
I’m sorry, I just can’t take it anymore.

I have never read such self-righteous, egotistical, homophobic, irrational statements in all my life as I’ve read here on this thread. The statements of some of you make me ashamed to be part of the Catholic Church. :mad: Where is the love that Christ preached? Where is the removal of the plank in your eye before removing the splinter in your brother’s? Have some of you forgetten that, like it or not, gays and lesbians are STILL our brothers and sisters in Christ and deserve all of the love and respect we can give them to help them through the sins that they deal with, just like the rest of us.

Some of you are blinded by your self-righteousness and are hiding behind the Church to justify your disgraceful attitudes. This whole thread has made me positively ill. :mad:

Scout
 
Kevin Walker:
Homosexuals are nothing like me, or any other heterosexual!

I dispise the euphemism of ‘Gay’ applied to homosexuality, there is nothing Gay about homosexuality, their suicide rate, sado/masochism, irrationality, depression rate, alcoholism, drug abuse, inverterate lying and denial, and anti-social behavior belies that cover-up.

There is nothing ‘Gay’ about a homosexual lying to enter the Priesthood, allowing themselves to be ordained under false pretenses, then living a lie while using their position of authority to target-stalk-bugger/grope little Catholic boys: are you trying to insinuate that that is the definition of GAY and should be applied to the homosexual?

The is the most sophistic apologistic view towards homosexuality I have read outside of a “Gay Rights” polemic.
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Holy Cow Kevin…do you hear yourself? You want to talk about intrinsically disordered? I humbly submit that this a case of the pot calling the kettle black. God Bless you, and keep you…and help you.
 
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sbcoral:
OK. Those are some good points. Except I know they are wrong. The advice my priests give my parish weekly in their homilies is very good. They are thoughtful, kind, and considerate. I am sure they are both gay; I do not know if they are active homosexuals, but doubt it, since they are both very devout, humble, faithful men.
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For crying out loud, how on earth are you sure they are both “gay”?!! Did they confide in you? Or maybe it was an announcement from the pulpit? If you don’t know this for sure then you’re spreading malicious gossip (although thankfully we don’t know their names).

Can we dispense with the use of the word “gay”! It’s politically charged and definitely implies a homosexual living the “lifestyle”. Just calling them that suggests to me that these priests are not chaste.
 
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StJeanneDArc:
For crying out loud, how on earth are you sure they are both “gay”?!! Did they confide in you? Or maybe it was an announcement from the pulpit? If you don’t know this for sure then you’re spreading malicious gossip (although thankfully we don’t know their names).

Can we dispense with the use of the word “gay”! It’s politically charged and definitely implies a homosexual living the “lifestyle”. Just calling them that suggests to me that these priests are not chaste.
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It’s too bloody hard to type homosexual over and over again. What do you suggest we call them? How about HS?
 
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tcay584:
Holy Cow Kevin…do you hear yourself? You want to talk about intrinsically disordered? I humbly submit that this a case of the pot calling the kettle black. God Bless you, and keep you…and help you.
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Actually it is a case of respect for the English language; Gay means festive, not to be misused as a euphemism. The Gay 90s had nothing to do with homosexuality. So yes I do despise the use of the word Gay to cover up what homosexuality really represents: emotional instability and unclarity of thought. 🙂
 
  1. The word ‘gay’ should not be used as it is a corruption of the english language, homosexual is the proper term.
  2. After reading all these posts I am amazed at how the issue is confused.
    A man who suffers from ssa can be an ‘open’ homosexual, he identifies as a homosexual as it essential to who he is, whether is is active or not. These people should never be admitted to Holy orders.
    There are many (and I know some) priests and relgeous who have a homosexual inclination but have never identified themselves as homosexual and do NOT see it as part of who they are. Through prayer and devotion to the BVM they have overcome any temptation to sexual sin. In some ways it is easier for a man who has ssa to become a very holy priest or religous, that is when they are aware of the enormity of the abomination and are aware of the scandal if they ever did even ponder temptation.
    As I said earlier, If one looks at this historically, we would not have had the scandals without the state of the western secular culture which approves and even promotes active homosexuality. In the past many Saints would have had ssa, however this did not hinder their path to Holiness as they identified themselves as Christians, eunuchs for the sake of the Kingdom as there was no pressure from the world to be ‘out’
    Lets all try to look at this whith understanding of our own sinfulness and weakness
 
CreosMary said:
1. The word ‘gay’ should not be used as it is a corruption of the english language, homosexual is the proper term.
2. After reading all these posts I am amazed at how the issue is confused.
A man who suffers from ssa can be an ‘open’ homosexual, he identifies as a homosexual as it essential to who he is, whether is is active or not. These people should never be admitted to Holy orders.
There are many (and I know some) priests and relgeous who have a homosexual inclination but have never identified themselves as homosexual and do NOT see it as part of who they are. Through prayer and devotion to the BVM they have overcome any temptation to sexual sin. In some ways it is easier for a man who has ssa to become a very holy priest or religous, that is when they are aware of the enormity of the abomination and are aware of the scandal if they ever did even ponder temptation.
As I said earlier, If one looks at this historically, we would not have had the scandals without the state of the western secular culture which approves and even promotes active homosexuality. In the past many Saints would have had ssa, however this did not hinder their path to Holiness as they identified themselves as Christians, eunuchs for the sake of the Kingdom as there was no pressure from the world to be ‘out’
Lets all try to look at this whith understanding of our own sinfulness and weakness
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Too bad is homosexual Priests who are directly responsible for the current sexual abuse scandal in the Church, and not the SSA’s. SSA is a worse euphemism for homosexual than Gay.
 
Kevin Walker:
Actually it is a case of respect for the English language; Gay means festive, not to be misused as a euphemism. The Gay 90s had nothing to do with homosexuality. So yes I do despise the use of the word Gay to cover up what homosexuality really represents: emotional instability and unclarity of thought. 🙂
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Oh good…for a second there I thought you’d gone nuts.
As recorded in Merriam-Webster:

Main Entry: 1gay [m-w.com/images/audio.gif](javascript:popWin(’/cgi-bin/audio.pl?gay00001.wav=gay’))
Pronunciation: 'gA
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French gai
1 a : happily excited : MERRY b : keenly alive and exuberant : having or inducing high spirits
2 a : BRIGHT, LIVELY <gay sunny meadows> b : brilliant in color
3 : given to social pleasures; also : LICENTIOUS
4 a : HOMOSEXUAL b : of, relating to, or used by homosexuals <the gay rights movement> <a gay bar>
synonym see LIVELY
  • gay adverb
    Please note #4. If you wish to do honor to the english language, I respectfully suggest you read up on it and stay with the times. The online thesaurus will provide the same results, establishing that the use of the word “gay” is indeed correct. If we were talking about shiny happy people here, I believe you could tell the difference from the context.
 
Kevin Walker:
How about fag?
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As someone who has a best freind who has those tendencies after being anally raped at the age of nine and dealing with suicidal thoughts and persevering by living a chaste life,Kevin fag is ugly:nope: Their are plenty that sleep around but their are also those who have by no fault of their own have those inclinations and are trying to live chastely.It is disordered,but with God all things are possible.God Bless
 
Kevin –

please contact me privately as I would like to share with you some charming terms I have for Southies.
Katie :whacky:
 
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katherine2:
Kevin –

please contact me privately as I would like to share with you some charming terms I have for Southies.
Katie :whacky:
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What are Southies?:confused:
 
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tcay584:
Oh good…for a second there I thought you’d gone nuts.
As recorded in Merriam-Webster:

Main Entry: 1gay m-w.com/images/audio.gif
Pronunciation: 'gA
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French gai
1 a : happily excited : MERRY b : keenly alive and exuberant : having or inducing high spirits
2 a : BRIGHT, LIVELY <gay sunny meadows> b : brilliant in color
3 : given to social pleasures; also : LICENTIOUS
4 a : HOMOSEXUAL b : of, relating to, or used by homosexuals <the gay rights movement> <a gay bar>
synonym see LIVELY
  • gay adverb
    Please note #4. If you wish to do honor to the english language, I respectfully suggest you read up on it and stay with the times. The online thesaurus will provide the same results, establishing that the use of the word “gay” is indeed correct. If we were talking about shiny happy people here, I believe you could tell the difference from the context.
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Then we look at a 1915 dictionary (before ‘gay lib’)
gay, ga, a. Excited with delight; sportive; fine; ornomented.-gaiety, n cheerfulness; mirth; showliness.- gaily, adv in a gay manner; joyfully; merrily; with finery or showiness.
Nothing about homosexuality in there. This what I mean by corruption of the english language, these ‘gay libbers’ have even forced there self-title into modern dictionaries. As for Kevin, he does sound a little irrational and angry, Why?
 
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CreosMary:
Then we look at a 1915 dictionary (before ‘gay lib’)
gay, ga, a. Excited with delight; sportive; fine; ornomented.-gaiety, n cheerfulness; mirth; showliness.- gaily, adv in a gay manner; joyfully; merrily; with finery or showiness.
Nothing about homosexuality in there. This what I mean by corruption of the english language, these ‘gay libbers’ have even forced there self-title into modern dictionaries. As for Kevin, he does sound a little irrational and angry, Why?
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However, with all due respect, english has evolved considerably since 1915 and I don’t think we should disregard that fact. Personally, I have associated the word gay with homosexual for as long as I can remember (I’m 32). If someone said “What a gay blouse you’re wearing”, I’d think them a bit off.
 
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tcay584:
However, with all due respect, english has evolved considerably since 1915 and I don’t think we should disregard that fact. Personally, I have associated the word gay with homosexual for as long as I can remember (I’m 32). If someone said “What a gay blouse you’re wearing”, I’d think them a bit off.
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'Tis what I mean, let us reclaim the english language. Language is the tranferrence of ideas and when we allow minority pressure groups to influence our language it corrupts our understanding of english and as you said why can you not wear a ‘gay blouse’ without feeling a bit off. Remember before the late 60’s ‘gay’ meant what I quoted. It is like having a rainbow coloured umbrella, I was going to throw it away then I thought, NO, I am not going to let those buggers take Noahs sign away as well.
Let us reclaim our culture and language!!!
 
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