THE ELEPHANT IN THE CHURCH a Catholic priest speaks out against homosexual priests

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Kevin Walker:

Homosexuals are nothing like me, or any other heterosexual!

I dispise the euphemism of ‘Gay’ applied to homosexuality, there is nothing Gay about homosexuality, their suicide rate, sado/masochism, irrationality, depression rate, alcoholism, drug abuse, inverterate lying and denial, and anti-social behavior belies that cover-up.

There is nothing ‘Gay’ about a homosexual lying to enter the Priesthood, allowing themselves to be ordained under false pretenses, then living a lie while using their position of authority to target-stalk-bugger/grope little Catholic boys: are you trying to insinuate that that is the definition of GAY and should be applied to the homosexual?

The is the most sophistic apologistic view towards homosexuality I have read outside of a “Gay Rights” polemic.

I, too, can’t tolerate the word “gay” used to identify active homosexual persons. It is an attempt to paint a disorder as virtuous. Are heterosexuals “joyless”?

 

[Brad]

Church Militant:

I think this is a poor choice for an article to kick off this thread.
Does this offer some answers…no.
I doubt that any of us are ignoring this issue, but it will not be helpfully resolved on a message board.
I think it should be deleted.

Are you joking? The article is about hiding the elephant in the closet BEING the problem and your solution is to keep hiding it.

 

[Lisa_N]

Scout I just looked at the Jay report again. Almost 40% of the victims were 14-17 and only 20% were age 10 and under. A pedophile is attracted to a CHILD, not a teenager. While in some cases teenagers are pretty ‘childish’ but preying upon a fifteen year old young man is a far different thing than preying upon a four year old child.

Lisa N

 

[Brad]

Fergal:

Why do people, time and time again, fail to recognise the difference between sin and sinner?

Can one be homosexual and celibate? You are all assuming that a homosexual priest is an active homosexual priest, failing to see any seperation between sin and sinner. God hates the sin and loves the sinner.

A man who suffers from same sex attraction and remains celibate for the sake of the kingdom is worthy of priesthood.

The Church looks with compassion on those suffering from same sex attraction. They are to be treated with the dignity due to any human person.

You mean to tell me that one man, suffering from this, who restrains himself before and after ordination for the sake of the kingdom, a pure soul and clean heart before God is not fit to serve God for life?

There are many ordained out there who cannot restrain themselves from opposite sex attraction and go for it time and time again.

Now I ask you, please, why are you so quick to judge?

Did you miss point #4 or are you choosing to ignore it?

Homosexual priests are the pedophiles. Homosexual priests are gravest diessenters. Homosexual priests are the source of the sex scandals. Homosexual priests are the cause of hard-earned tythes of the faithful going out the door.

Heterosexual priests are not the problems. Homosexual priests and their sympathethizer chancery officials and bishops are.

This has nothing to do with separating sin from sinner. It has to do with calling the Church to repentance and Christ-centeredness and away from using the Church as a playground.

Give me a break.

 

[Brad]

tcay584:

Mental health disorder. Emotionally unstable. Not thinking clearly. Wow! That’s some pretty amazing stereotyping. So would it be ok to have a mentally unstable and emotionally fragile heterosexual as a priest? I’m so sure he could give better pastoral counseling. Where is the logic in your argument?

The logic is that homosexuality is intrinsically disordered and heterosexuality is natural and normal.

Where is your logic?

 

[Brad]

gilliam:

If we kept everyone away from the priesthood until they attained Christian perfection, we would have extremely few priests.

You are correct. However, it has been clearly shown that homosexual incliniations and the priesthood do not go well together and therefore, to keep the priesthood from scandalizing the faith, it is best not to ordain homosexuals.

 

[Brad]

katherine2:

Balderdash. The SCANDAL has to do with child abuse.

if we are not talking about child abuse – male AND female children (is the abuse of girls – of whatever number – not part of the scandal? is this acceptable behavior?) but about any sexual activitiy, then is seems there is more heterosexual abuse than homosexual – when you add in the sexual activity of adults, the number of women invovled soars.

So which is it? Children or Homosexuality?

You can look at things any way you want to but that doesn’t mean you are in touch with reality.

The facts are:

Homosexuals are at least 7 times more likely to be promiscuous than heterosexuals.

Over 85% of the sex abuse charges involved one male and another male.

Homosexuals are many times more likely to participate in the abuse of minors.

You can slice and dice and politically posture any way you want to - and you can be ignoring reality.

Face reality - homosexuality and the evil underpinnings below it - is causing havoc, both within the Church and outside the Church.

If it is not stopped, you will see the Church in America, as well as America itself, be radically transformed into something weak and insignificant.

 

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Brad:

Face reality - homosexuality and the evil underpinnings below it - is causing havoc, both within the Church and outside the Church.

If it is not stopped, you will see the Church in America, as well as America itself, be radically transformed into something weak and insignificant.

Please add that these deliberate homosexual acts are tied closely to heterodoxy. These abuse issues are symptom of a greater problem.

 

[Brad]

Scout:

I’m sorry, I just can’t take it anymore.

I have never read such self-righteous, egotistical, homophobic, irrational statements in all my life as I’ve read here on this thread. The statements of some of you make me ashamed to be part of the Catholic Church. Where is the love that Christ preached? Where is the removal of the plank in your eye before removing the splinter in your brother’s? Have some of you forgetten that, like it or not, gays and lesbians are STILL our brothers and sisters in Christ and deserve all of the love and respect we can give them to help them through the sins that they deal with, just like the rest of us.

Some of you are blinded by your self-righteousness and are hiding behind the Church to justify your disgraceful attitudes. This whole thread has made me positively ill.

Scout

Please define “homophobic”.

 

[katherine2]

Brad:

Over 85% of the sex abuse charges involved one male and another male.

Homosexuals are many times more likely to participate in the abuse of minors.

Your own terminology admits the issue is age, not gender.

You keep saying abuse – that’ s the issue. Homosexuality goes on in all age groups. But your attempt to make gender the issue leaves out the girls who are abused but brings in the male adults who have sex with priests.

I don’t approve of any of this hanky-panky with either gender or any age.

But to disregard the fact that it is the age of these boys and girls that is the scandal and not the gender of priest’s sexual partners is a grave error. You should pray over this.

 

[Brad]

fix:

Please add that these deliberate homosexual acts are tied closely to heterodoxy. These abuse issues are symptom of a greater problem.

You are correct. Dissent from the teachings of Christ are the source of all of today’s problems. Homosexuality, because it strikes at the heart of God’s gift to us of imaging Him through procreation, is a particularly obvious manifestation of this rebellion against God.

 

[Brad]

katherine2:

I don’t approve of any of this hanky-panky with either gender or any age.

But to disregard the fact that it is the age of these boys and girls that is the scandal and not the gender of priest’s sexual partners is a grave error. You should pray over this.

Praying is always good, but, as I said, you should pray for a reality check.

The scandal is related to the fact that the priests creating the scandal are adults AND MOSTLY homosexuals. It has nothing to do with children. It is the homosexual adult priests that must be stopped.

 

[Scout]

I’m sorry, but I’ve had enough of this thread and the majority of self-righteous attitudes floating around in here. I’ve stated what I believe to be true, and if other people want to believe something different, then I guess that’s their right. But everytime I read another post of this thread, the hatred just makes me that much more angry.

So, I certainly hope all of you find your own peace with the situation.

Scout :tiphat:

 

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katherine2:

But to disregard the fact that it is the age of these boys and girls that is the scandal and not the gender of priest’s sexual partners is a grave error. You should pray over this.

No one is disregarding age. Some are nuancing that most of these cases were about homosexual acts. To disregard that is to disregard the truth.

 

[katherine2]

Brad:

The scandal is related to the fact that the priests creating the scandal are adults AND MOSTLY homosexuals. It has nothing to do with children. It is the homosexual adult priests that must be stopped.

I see. The girls who are abused by priests don’t count. Thier abuse can go on. You are a real Christian, Brad. :ehh:

 

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Scout:

I’m sorry, but I’ve had enough of this thread and the majority of self-righteous attitudes floating around in here. I’ve stated what I believe to be true, and if other people want to believe something different, then I guess that’s their right. But everytime I read another post of this thread, the hatred just makes me that much more angry.

So, I certainly hope all of you find your own peace with the situation.

Scout :tiphat:

Please do not accuse people of hate. That is the tactic of propagandists.

 

[Brad]

Scout:

I’m sorry, but I’ve had enough of this thread and the majority of self-righteous attitudes floating around in here. I’ve stated what I believe to be true, and if other people want to believe something different, then I guess that’s their right. But everytime I read another post of this thread, the hatred just makes me that much more angry.

So, I certainly hope all of you find your own peace with the situation.

Scout :tiphat:

Oh, I get it. So you are willing to toss around terms like “homophobic” and not define them and then call us haters and intolerants because we disagree with your opinion.

That makes you “others-righteous” or does it just make you at least equally as self-righteous but just with a different opinion?

 

[Lisa_N]

Scout:

I’m sorry, but I’ve had enough of this thread and the majority of self-righteous attitudes floating around in here. I’ve stated what I believe to be true, and if other people want to believe something different, then I guess that’s their right. But everytime I read another post of this thread, the hatred just makes me that much more angry.

So, I certainly hope all of you find your own peace with the situation.

Scout :tiphat:

You sound very young. I hope you someday understand that your opinions are just that, opinions. Stating facts such as the percentage of homosexuals involved in our priest sex abuse scandal is not “hatred.” Posting the percentage of victims by age groups is not hatred even if it tends to demonstrate that your opinion is ill founded.

But since anger is such an unpleasant feeling whether rational or not, I agree it may be best to avoid these kind of discussions. When you have some evidence that would substantiate your opinion maybe you would have a more compelling argument and thus people would be more likely to be persuaded to your line of thinking.

Lisa N

 

[Brad]

katherine2:

I see. The girls who are abused by priests don’t count. Thier abuse can go on. You are a real Christian, Brad. :ehh:

You are amazing in calling me un-Christian simply because I am unwilling to allow you to change the topic in your unwillingness to face the real problem.

If you want to address the sex trade that imprisons women and girls all around the world and that I work against, we can discuss that in another thread. Until then, stick to the topic.

 

[Lisa_N]

katherine2:

I see. The girls who are abused by priests don’t count. Thier abuse can go on. You are a real Christian, Brad. :ehh:

K2 can you quit the name calling and sarcasm? No one has said the female victims do not count. But let’s put the emphasis on the small percentages that create the majority of the problem. If you look at the Jay report, the incidence of abuse against girls is not only a minor factor but was a relatively stable figure. IOW unlike the homosexual abuse, there wasn’t a dramatic uptick in the incidence of heterosexual abuse at a point in time. In any group of people there will be deviants. Priests are not perfect either. So in an organization as large as the Catholic Church there will be some child abusers. But if it were a pedophile problem the percentages would not have been 80% male 19% female, particularly given the decades that were included in the study.

Look things in the face and know what they are, not what sounds more acceptable. This is mostly a problem of predatory homosexuals ordained at a time when such activity would have been unthinkable. They were aided and abetted by lax or ignorant bishops and cardinals who allowed an abberation to become a huge scandal.

We can’t solve any problem if we ignore its reality.

Lisa N