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onenow1
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That was his point do you want to gamble that there is no God; meant for unbelievers.
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Charlemagne_III
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Exactly, if you don’t gamble there is a God, you have to gamble there isn’t.That was his point do you want to gamble that there is no God; meant for unbelievers.
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Either way it’s a gamble, and that is precisely Pascal’s point.
Does the atheist have a pat hand that there is no God? That is hardly possible.
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ThinkingSapien
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You mean gamble that there isn’t Yahweh (having a specific set of attributes that applies some post death sorting system that is in part based on the conviction of each individual). There are various god-concepts, some of which don’t ensure that we dont survive our death. Some one that “wagers” there is a god of some type doesn’t necessarily wager there is a god that matches how you describe Yahweh. Some god-concepts are concerned with orthodoxy, orthopraxy, some don’t seem to intervene in our deaths, and some just dont care either wayThat was his point do you want to gamble that there is no God; meant for unbelievers.
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But there have already been (name removed by moderator)uts in this thread that is convinced there is a God that is nothing like the Christian God.
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Lucy107
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Well, if you’d actually listen to drug addicts, atheists, and other people in need, or if you had been one of them yourself, you would know what they think because they would tell you.
It’s not rocket science.
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Lucy107
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Have you noticed that I never talk on God’s behalf?
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Lucy107
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The problem with Pascal’s Wager is that it is a gamble.You mean gamble that there isn’t Yahweh
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The idea that that which is supposed to be central to one’s life, is supposed to be decided in a gamble – that it just absurdity.
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rinnie
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Again you seem to predetermine everything about me. Why do you feel I never listened to drug addicts, etc? You seem to be awful angry at pretty much everything that I say. Or try to find a way to change it around on me.
It is hard to have a conversation with someone when you have to watch every word you say. Which is the example of what I have been doing lately, to show you how it gets you no where.
But now back to the subject. The fear of hell. Who fears hell?
I believe anyone who believes in God, wants him to be with then forever, and wants to live in perfect love and contentment with him fears hell. Because hell is everlasting life without him and those that love him.
People who reject God never seem to give him glory and praise in the good things that happen in this world because of course they do not believe in him, but here is the kicker, there always is one you know! A Kicker
What I have found, that people who reject God, deny his existence, if have to even give it a possibility that he exists, do the same thing over and over again. Blame him for the evil of Man.
I have never heard someone who denies God say, I wish in my heart he did exist, and would do anything I could to make a place for him if I could. But I have seen unexplained miracles happen, heard people swear to them, and understand why people love and adore him so much. Never hear that.
All I ever heard is If he existed, why this bad thing and why this bad thing, never look at this good thing and that good thing. Funny isn’t it.
People who believe in him find the good in others, and the world and give him praise.
People who deny him find fault in others and blame him for the evil in others and the world.
You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to see that either!
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inocente
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Oh. Then the Pope is wrong wrong wrong. He’s under the impression Jesus sacrificed himself for all. Speaking of atheists, he said:
“The Lord created us in His image and likeness, and we are the image of the Lord, and He does good and all of us have this commandment at heart, do good and do not do evil. All of us. ‘But, Father, this is not Catholic! He cannot do good.’ Yes, he can… “The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ, all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone!” We must meet one another doing good. ‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But do good: we will meet one another there.” - catholic.org/news/hf/faith/story.php?id=51077
You can correct the Pope by writing to him c/o Apostolic Palace, 00120 Vatican City.
But don’t be surprised if the reply suggests you go on some courses.
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onenow1
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Indeed ! Therefore we have a choice to believe what seems more reasonable, in our own perspective with much thought… Love your neighbor describes all that is needed and pronounced in the Decalogue of the last five commands.You mean gamble that there isn’t Yahweh (having a specific set of attributes that applies some post death sorting system that is in part based on the conviction of each individual). There are various god-concepts, some of which don’t ensure that we dont survive our death. Some one that “wagers” there is a god of some type doesn’t necessarily wager there is a god that matches how you describe Yahweh. Some god-concepts are concerned with orthodoxy, orthopraxy, some don’t seem to intervene in our deaths, and some just dont care either way
But there have already been (name removed by moderator)uts in this thread that is convinced there is a God that is nothing like the Christian God.
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Charlemagne_III
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This strategy of yours, of showing Catholics in this forum that they disagree with their popes, has become so insufferably tedious that I will just leave you alone from now on.Oh. Then the Pope is wrong wrong wrong. He’s under the impression Jesus sacrificed himself for all. Speaking of atheists, he said:
“The Lord created us in His image and likeness, and we are the image of the Lord, and He does good and all of us have this commandment at heart, do good and do not do evil. All of us. ‘But, Father, this is not Catholic! He cannot do good.’ Yes, he can… “The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ, all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone!” We must meet one another doing good. ‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But do good: we will meet one another there.” - catholic.org/news/hf/faith/story.php?id=51077
You can correct the Pope by writing to him c/o Apostolic Palace, 00120 Vatican City.
But don’t be surprised if the reply suggests you go on some courses.
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inocente
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The article says Francis is not making up anything new, it has always been the case.This strategy of yours, of showing Catholics in this forum that they disagree with their popes, has become so insufferably tedious that I will just leave you alone from now on.
And it’s not a strategy, I only do it with you. If you find it embarrassing to have a non-Catholic point it out when you differ from the Church, then hows about you stop differing from the Church rather than blaming me?
Anyway :kiss4you:
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Lucy107
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Then you need to sharpen your ears.
Ever heard “Yes, that would be nice if God would exist …” or “The way God is described, this is just too good to be true” --?
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ThinkingSapien
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And that’s where we part ways. But a discussion on choosing to find something convincing is another topic.
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Aloysium
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Yes, because you can’t.
What most Catholics here are doing is relating what has been revealed; i.e. speaking on God’s behalf.
You, are providing your personal views.
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Lucy107
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So whatever you say, is as good as if God would say it … interesting …
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rstrats
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Lucy107,
re: “The problem with Pascal’s Wager is that it is a gamble.”
(Off topic alert - sorry) Actually, there is fatal flaw in the wager right from the start because it is based on the notion that beliefs can be consciously chosen, and of course that is not possible. (OK, back to the OP topic)
re: “The problem with Pascal’s Wager is that it is a gamble.”
(Off topic alert - sorry) Actually, there is fatal flaw in the wager right from the start because it is based on the notion that beliefs can be consciously chosen, and of course that is not possible. (OK, back to the OP topic)
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Charlemagne_III
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Belief can be consciously chosen, and it can be consciously rejected.
People do it every day.
The believer consciously embraces his faith. The unbeliever consciously rejects faith.
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ThinkingSapien
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Per #433,
Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m scheduled to go consciously be convinced that my grass is purple and the sky is green from the timer interval of 10 minutes from now until about 37 minutes from now.
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tonyrey
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Do you believe there is a difference between good and evil? Or is it just a human convention?
Do you believe in justice? Or is that just another human convention?
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