The First Vision Versions

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mathonihah said:
No changes, only different details in different accounts. Do you know how many contradictions there are in the Bible, and among the four Gospels? Google for “contradictions in the Bible” to find out for yourself. That doesn’t undermine my faith in the Gospels, nor does it undermine my faith in Joseph Smith’s First Vision.
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This is a typical LDS deflection, if you can’t adequately defend the issue at hand, deflect, and the Bible is very often the favourite subject of this ruse. We have seen it many times, the FACT is, we are not discussing the Bible, and your defense of JS and his so called first visions, is at best very poor
 
mathonihah said:
So being repeated several times necessitates independent witnesses. Got it. Thank you.
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Don’t understand your point. Irrespective of witnesses, such a monumental experience should be recorded accurately, rather than several different versions of it. As I asked you before, if this had happened to you would every detail not be etched on your mind. And would you not feel duty bound to faithfully record so sacred an experience?
 
mathonihah said:
No changes, only different details in different accounts. Do you know how many contradictions there are in the Bible, and among the four Gospels? Google for “contradictions in the Bible” to find out for yourself. That doesn’t undermine my faith in the Gospels, nor does it undermine my faith in Joseph Smith’s First Vision.
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Show them to us, and we’ll discuss.
 
When I was 6, I sang my first solo. It was Christmas Eve in Church. I sang “What Child is this”. I wore a blue suit and red tie. My stepdad had to leave before I sang because my parents could not remember if they turned off the gas stove.

That was almost 50 years ago and I remember the details.

Now, either my first solo was more monumental that a visit from God…or from God and Jesus…or from Angels…or from God and Angels (depending on your accepted version) or Joe is lying.

Any idea which it is?
 
mathonihah said:
No changes, only different details in different accounts. Do you know how many contradictions there are in the Bible, and among the four Gospels? Google for “contradictions in the Bible” to find out for yourself. That doesn’t undermine my faith in the Gospels, nor does it undermine my faith in Joseph Smith’s First Vision.
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lol…that tired defense?

yes…lets take a book written 2000 years in foreign languages by many men and compare it to things written by ONE man or told by ONE man in English less than 200 years ago.

lol…you truly make me laugh…thank you
 
Originally Posted by mathonihah
No changes, only different details in different accounts. Do you know how many contradictions there are in the Bible, and among the four Gospels? Google for “contradictions in the Bible” to find out for yourself. That doesn’t undermine my faith in the Gospels, nor does it undermine my faith in Joseph Smith’s First Vision.
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Sniff…sniff…smells like desperation on one’s part.
 
lynnettejane said:
Don’t understand your point. Irrespective of witnesses, such a monumental experience should be recorded accurately, rather than several different versions of it. As I asked you before, if this had happened to you would every detail not be etched on your mind. And would you not feel duty bound to faithfully record so sacred an experience?
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You are asking questions which I have answered already, Either you have not read them, or you are deliberately ignoring them; and I am not going to repeat the same answers over and over again.
 
TexanKnight said:
lol…that tired defense?

yes…lets take a book written 2000 years in foreign languages by many men and compare it to things written by ONE man or told by ONE man in English less than 200 years ago.

lol…you truly make me laugh…thank you
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Try like 6-9 months, lmao.
 
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Sniff…sniff…smells like desperation on one’s part.
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mathonihah said:
Please yourself. I think I am giving good answers to your questions. It is your desperation that is showing.
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No you have not. Then answer the following:

At the Jewish Seder meal did Jews eat a LITERAL-REAL lamb or mere cookie cut-out symbolizing the lamb?

I have no desperation because I am not one who believes in con man and his faulty man-made religion called Mormonism.
 
pablope said:
Could this mean then…with the different versions and details…that JS was not protected by the Holy Spirit…because he could not recall the same details?
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Maybe Joseph had a stupor of thought.
 
mathonihah said:
If you search, you will find there are hundreds, and I am not going to discuss them. The First Vision is all that I have the time to discuss.
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I suggest that you don’t make assertions that you are not prepared to defend.
 
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