The future of Child Birth

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and they will no doubt be looked down on as being backwards, living in the stone age.

i predict robots will be the artificial womb.
 
Yeah and if it becomes widespread, it will screw up the species as they’ve done with dog breeding with some breeds.

Jim
 
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Yeah and if it becomes widespread, it will screw up the species as they’ve done with dog breeding with some breeds.

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For ANY AKC show breed, actually. That’s part of the reason the military started breeding their own working dogs. Shepherd and Malinois working lines are being ruined due to inbreeding.
 
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I recall reading about how In England, they screwed up the Basset Hound bloodline so much, that it’s as if there are only 80 dogs left in the country.

Jim
 
Some poster here have mentioned Brave new world. It is a science fiction book written by Aldous Huxley in 1932. I started reading it before Easter. I plan to read Humane Vitae written by pope Paul VI in 1968 after.

I have taught children who replied “I don’t have a dad. I am an insemination child. I have a donor.” when I asked if their mom or dad was going to pick them up from school. These children and all others, really need a dad. And a mom. We are our relationships and our history.

http://w2.vatican.va/content/paul-v...ments/hf_p-vi_enc_25071968_humanae-vitae.html
 
JimR-OCDS said:
I recall reading about how In England, they screwed up the Basset Hound bloodline so much, that it’s as if there are only 80 dogs left in the country.

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I don’t doubt it for one second. I’ve also wondered if that’s why these “purebred mutts” (Maltipoos? Cockapoos? Labradoodles? Seriously?) are being marketed by breeders and the AKC - because they live longer and don’t quite yet have the issues the “purebreds” are known for.

They’re high dollar mutts. I call it the Emperor’s New Clothes Syndrome.
 
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When they say they don’t have a dad, just tell them they actually do. They just don’t know who he is.

They can’t make babies without a man and a woman.

Jim
 
With the current trends toward a “natural” lifestyle, I don’t see this becoming commonplace anytime soon. As a postpartum nurse, I see a lot of women who very strongly value vaginal births vs cesarean sections. There is a strong desire to breastfeed as well, and use baby products which are as “natural” as possible. Artificial wombs in any but the most dire of situations are unlikely to catch on soon.
 
I am not sure it would be appreciated by the 6-year-olds moms unfortunately. :confused: It is so much easier with children whose parent live on the other side of the globe, as they will likely visit when they are a little older, or even children whose parent has passed away regardless of how.

Someday those “donor children” will discover biology and it is very likely going to be a big hit in the face.
 
Yeah I understand the dilemma you’re in on this situation.

It’s why I could never have been a teacher, I’m too up front with my beliefs.

Jim
 
HeDa said:
Some poster here have mentioned Brave new world. It is a science fiction book written by Aldous Huxley in 1932. I started reading it before Easter. I plan to read Humane Vitae written by pope Paul VI in 1968 after.

I have taught children who replied “I don’t have a dad. I am an insemination child. I have a donor.” when I asked if their mom or dad was going to pick them up from school. These children and all others, really need a dad. And a mom. We are our relationships and our history.

http://w2.vatican.va/content/paul-v...ments/hf_p-vi_enc_25071968_humanae-vitae.html
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This really isn’t that different than the left children born to poor women who had trists with sailors. The idea of a woman having a baby with a man she dosn’t know and will never have contact with again, isn’t exactly new to human history.
 
In a way, we as Catholics, are supposed to protest against what is wrong in society and what it will lead to. Sometimes it is expected of us that we are the “No, stop, quit sayers” but it sure is a fine balance keeping the trust people have in us and our profession and ruining everything.

As always, it is the children that face the consequences of the adult´s descision.
 
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In a way, we as Catholics, are supposed to protest against what is wrong in society and what it will lead to.
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This is why I think Catholic ethicists should be taking ectogenesis seriously and decrying it now. Not down the road, after it’s already being implemented. The CC tends to be more reactionary, which in my lowly opinion, is a mistake when it comes to modern technology.

If you wait to oppose this until it’s already reality, it’s too late. The genie is out of the bottle.
 
My family has a Standard Poodle. Not one of those ridiculous “-oodle” mixes. We chose the breed based on three things:
  1. Temperament and intelligence - my dog has never so much as nipped fingers while taking a snack. I don’t want or need a liability that bites my son’s friends!
  2. Low allergen profile. Son is mildly allergic to dogs.
  3. The long history of the breed versus recent innovated dog breeds. I have a suspicion that the same genetic variability that allows such a wide divergence in dog breeds, is the same factor that influences cancer rates, i.e., the newer and more novel the breed, the less stable the genetics, and more vulnerable to mutations.
Can’t prove the last though. Just a suspicion, as I said.
 
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Xanthippe_Voorhees:
Even if we had the technology to make this physically happen the resulting person would never be a functional human and may not even be able to form thought, moreover esoteric thinking.
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Why do you say that?
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From my understanding of early psychological deprivation and trauma. Reactive Attacment Disorder is a condition that can be triggered in a mere matter of weeks if an infant is not given the proper love and affection. Children are vulnerable with even just a few weeks of limited human contact/only “necessary” contact. We know that lack of proper affection is a very serious thing.
 
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My family has a Standard Poodle. Not one of those ridiculous “-oodle” mixes. We chose the breed based on three things:
  1. Temperament and intelligence - my dog has never so much as nipped fingers while taking a snack. I don’t want or need a liability that bites my son’s friends!
  2. Low allergen profile. Son is mildly allergic to dogs.
  3. The long history of the breed versus recent innovated dog breeds. I have a suspicion that the same genetic variability that allows such a wide divergence in dog breeds, is the same factor that influences cancer rates, i.e., the newer and more novel the breed, the less stable the genetics, and more vulnerable to mutations.
Can’t prove the last though. Just a suspicion, as I said.
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I think there’s a lot to that theory, actually.
 
Xanthippe_Voorhees said:
From my understanding of early psychological deprivation and trauma. Reactive Attacment Disorder is a condition that can be triggered in a mere matter of weeks if an infant is not given the proper love and affection. Children are vulnerable with even just a few weeks of limited human contact/only “necessary” contact. We know that lack of proper affection is a very serious thing.
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Yes, but i don’t see how an artificial pregnancy, assuming everything was done right, would result in the absence of cognition. You seem to go as far as to say that the result would be just a body with no mind.
 
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