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That’s nonsense. It is not a positivist document.
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Brad
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You used an extreme example to try to present the idea in our heads that the preposterous notion that there are so many homosexual priests that they could overcome the fact that they are responsible for 81% or more of the abuse cases and that heterosexual priests might actually abuse at a higher rate. Utterly ridiculous. This also ignores the overwhelming evidence that homosexual activity is largely indicative of promiscuity. It also assumes to an extent the unscientific notion that people are born homosexual. You are good with numbers but reality takes much more than numbers - it takes common sense too.
To show how common sense saves some aggravation and unnecessary complexity, let’s look at a few numbers:
Let’s say there are 10,000 priests and 200 individual abuse cases.
81% are male or 162 cases.
19% are female or 38 cases.
In order for the homosexual priest abuse rate to be LESS than the heterosexual abuse rate, approximately 8,000 of the 10,0000 priests would have to be homosexual.
In other words, the priest population would have to be 80% homosexual. Now, considering that the extremely high estimate of homosexuals in the general population is 10%, even granting that it may be slightly higher in the priest population, 8 TIMES HIGHER is too much for any rational person, scientist or otherwise, to take seriously.
I’ve played the numbers game. Thank you. You have helped to prove the point. Homosexuals are more prone to child abuse than heterosexuals.
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Lisa N:
AMEN
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Brad
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Hey - I could care less about the money. Let’s get a true orthodox priest with a Bible and the right substance to consecrate hosts into the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ and we’ll build a shack to have mass. Give all the money to the offended girls (probably women now).
Of course, the world would suffer tremendously as a reult as less care may be granted to the sick and the poor.
But that will only be temporary. If it means getting rid of all the abusers and all the homosexuals and all the homosexual sympathesizers and all the dissenters and feminists that make up their own gospel and declare it Jesus’ gospel - I’m all for it - give them every dime.
Let’s stop playing all the games - no abuse, no dissent, and no saying homosexual acts are ok. How about it?
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By the way, the female abuse rate over time is far lower than exists in most other churches, schools, and all other institutions that connect adults with children.
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Interstingly enough, the vast majority of African-Americans oppose homosexual unions or marriage.
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fix
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Same sex marraige only shows that the great heresy of modernism is alive and well today. Truth does not change with time. We close our minds to the truth, mostly due to sin. Our hearts are hard and we are blind.
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Brad
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Yes - to avoid you.
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Lisa_N
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Absolutely. We seem to have a continuing parade of men working with youth who molest, harass, or have sexual encounters with young women. While the female teacher/male student encounters make national news, in every locale there are male teachers, coaches, club leaders, who are charged with sexual abuse of females.
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It was understandable how these priests stayed under the radar in the 60s & 70s because the whole idea of molesting young people was just considered incomprehensible back then. People were going to believe the priest not a kid. Just as an example, I had a similar experience growing up. There were only a few dentists in our town, and one was known as the “kids’ dentist.” The joke being as a good Catholic with six of his own, he knew how to deal with kids.
I started going to Dr D when I was in 3rd grade and he was a very good dentist. But when I started developing, I noticed that he was suddenly making a lot more contact. He’d lean over me, resting one arm on my breasts. I first thought it was just a coincidence or he wasn’t doing it deliberately. But as it started happening every time and as he started leaning more and more I realized this was not right. I told my parents who utterly blew me off. I was imagining things, what was I thinking? Dr D was a married man, he had six kids, he looked at me like just another “daughter.” So I kept going to Dr D (what choice did I have?) and thankfully had pretty good teeth so I didn’t need to see him often.
Well YEARS later I happened to mention something to my sister. She admitted the same thing had happened to her and when she told our parents she too was blown off as imagining things. We then contacted two schoolmates who also went to Dr D and sure enough we all had the same experience. People did not believe children who had these kind of stories back then. If they didn’t believe that a male dentist might paw young girls, do you think they would have believed a male priest would molest a boy? Just completely out of the realm of the possible at that time.
Well obviously none of us sued the man and far as I know his behavior was never made public. But it was a different time and place. Adults were believed and given total benefit of the doubt. A priest was simply beyond questioning. No doubt there was a lot more of this going on at the time that never came to light.
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I started going to Dr D when I was in 3rd grade and he was a very good dentist. But when I started developing, I noticed that he was suddenly making a lot more contact. He’d lean over me, resting one arm on my breasts. I first thought it was just a coincidence or he wasn’t doing it deliberately. But as it started happening every time and as he started leaning more and more I realized this was not right. I told my parents who utterly blew me off. I was imagining things, what was I thinking? Dr D was a married man, he had six kids, he looked at me like just another “daughter.” So I kept going to Dr D (what choice did I have?) and thankfully had pretty good teeth so I didn’t need to see him often.
Well YEARS later I happened to mention something to my sister. She admitted the same thing had happened to her and when she told our parents she too was blown off as imagining things. We then contacted two schoolmates who also went to Dr D and sure enough we all had the same experience. People did not believe children who had these kind of stories back then. If they didn’t believe that a male dentist might paw young girls, do you think they would have believed a male priest would molest a boy? Just completely out of the realm of the possible at that time.
Well obviously none of us sued the man and far as I know his behavior was never made public. But it was a different time and place. Adults were believed and given total benefit of the doubt. A priest was simply beyond questioning. No doubt there was a lot more of this going on at the time that never came to light.
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Mac6yver
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I do not see how that is relevant to what I said…
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Lisa N:
Unfortunately, parents too often put their trust in a adult because of their “reputation” or Bob down the street said they were cool. Parents have, as their first obligation - above any other - the well-being of their children. They are also the primary educators of their children - they are to know what their kids are “learning” and how - each and every child - each and every grade. A “cool” parent that lets the kid “hang” and be “indepedent” is just waiting for some crisis to happen. Then lawyers tell them it wasn’t their fault - they should sue.
Being a parent is hard work - but noble and required of those that bear them.
Forgive me if this is too personal - we all love our parents and mine are far from perfect - but I find it striking that they had 2 of their children give them independent, non-collaborative complainst regarding him and they still kept sending you there. I could understand times were different - so 1 complaint from a child(who often are not rationale by nature at this age) might be blown off - but 2 independent complaints should warrant at least a full investigation.
Unfortunately, parents too often put their trust in a adult because of their “reputation” or Bob down the street said they were cool. Parents have, as their first obligation - above any other - the well-being of their children. They are also the primary educators of their children - they are to know what their kids are “learning” and how - each and every child - each and every grade. A “cool” parent that lets the kid “hang” and be “indepedent” is just waiting for some crisis to happen. Then lawyers tell them it wasn’t their fault - they should sue.
Being a parent is hard work - but noble and required of those that bear them.
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Because homosexual activists often try to use a ‘civil rights’ analogy and wrap themselves in the cloak of Martin Luther King. Many blacks are absolutely outraged that their long fight for basic human rights is being co-opted by homosexuals who want to marry. I happen to agree with them. Homosexuals wanting to marry are HARDLY in the same position as blacks who were unable to get housing, employment, education, or sit at the same counter as whites. It cheapens the sacrifices of people like MLK to compare the two struggles.
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Brad
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You likened the cause of homosexual activists pursuing their rights to that of minorities. I’m saying that most African-Amercians are offended by activists that use their civil rights history as a demonstration of what homosexuals are going through today. They say there is no comparison. Black Americans were legally discriminated against and often suffered physical and financial harm as a result. That’s just not the case with homosexuals today. Many of them do very well financially, no laws allowing discrimination against them exist, and physical harm done to them is next to zero.
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Mac6yver
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Once again, I do not see the connection. I simply stated that I would stand up for a homosexual as much as I would a black person. Whether black people agree or disagree with homosexual marriage does not matter to me.
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Lisa_N
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So you see no difference between a couple of homosexuals who want to get married so Joe can get onto Michael’s medical plan and a black man who is shot when he moves into a white neighborhood or a black child who is beaten for entering a white school? There is a difference between basic human rights and state benefits.
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jlw
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Mac6yver,
You and I were discussing in posts #11, #13, and #15 about your thoughts on God, His existence, and His relevancy. You said (paraphasing) that He exists, but in an inconsequential way.
I asked how you came to this conclusion. Whatcha think??
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You and I were discussing in posts #11, #13, and #15 about your thoughts on God, His existence, and His relevancy. You said (paraphasing) that He exists, but in an inconsequential way.
I asked how you came to this conclusion. Whatcha think??
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Mac6yver
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Lisa N:
I do not think you are understanding what i am trying to say. I am not trying compare the entire civil rights movement to same sex marriage. I am simply stating that there are some similarities. For instance, the fact that it was aginst the law for an interacial couple to marry. Heck, it was only recently it was finally legalized in all 50 states.
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Well, I would certainly not use the word inconsequential. Just because I do not believe he takes an active role in our world at the moment, that does not make God inconsequential.
I came to this conclusion through a long process of events and experiences. Let me try to put it this way. You know how when someone wins an award or has good fortune fall on them, they often seem to thank God for that. However, when something bad happens you rarely hear the same people blame God. You see, I give God credit for neither, I do not blame him for things that go wrong in my life, but I do not give him credit for the good either. We are in charge of our own fate as a world imo.
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Lisa_N
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Recent? How old are you Mac6yver? Surely you don’t remember a time when interracial marriage was illegal.
Some similarities sure. There are some similarities when anyone is thought to be discriminated against. But to equate the struggle for physical safety, for basic human needs with a couple of gays who want to share medical benefits cheapens the civil rights movement. People DIED for this cause and certainly many died as a result of the indirect results of prejudice.
No homosexual is going to DIE if he/she can’t dress up and prance down the aisle. To compare these two utterly sickens me and it certainly alienates many blacks.
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