The Missing Link has Been Found how will this change morality?

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LaSalle said:
Why would it affect our morality? The bible tells us that God made us … it doesn’t say how. We could have evolved, what’s so hard to fathom?

How do you think this discovery should affect us?
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For anyone who’s Bible literate. The first Ch. Genesis states Then God said , then God said, God said When God speaks things happen instantaneously , not x billion or million years later.

To accept millions of years of animal death before the creation and Fall of man contradicts and destroys the Bible’s teaching on death and the full redemptive work of Christ.
It also makes God into a bumbling cruel creator who uses or can’t prevent ] disease, natural disasters and extinctions to mar His creative work, without any moral cause, but still calls it all " very good "
 
matahari said:
For anyone who’s Bible literate. The first Ch. Genesis states Then God said , then God said, God said When God speaks things happen instantaneously , not x billion or million years later.

To accept millions of years of animal death before the creation and Fall of man contradicts and destroys the Bible’s teaching on death and the full redemptive work of Christ.
It also makes God into a bumbling cruel creator who uses or can’t prevent ] disease, natural disasters and extinctions to mar His creative work, without any moral cause, but still calls it all " very good "
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You make your religion sound like an intellectual house of cards that collapses at the thought of an old lemur.
 
matahari said:
For anyone who’s Bible literate. The first Ch. Genesis states Then God said , then God said, God said When God speaks things happen instantaneously , not x billion or million years later.

To accept millions of years of animal death before the creation and Fall of man contradicts and destroys the Bible’s teaching on death and the full redemptive work of Christ.
It also makes God into a bumbling cruel creator who uses or can’t prevent ] disease, natural disasters and extinctions to mar His creative work, without any moral cause, but still calls it all " very good "
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I’m really confused by your post. Where in Genesis does it say that things happened instantly? And what do you mean by instantly? In one second or less? Within the hour? Where in Genesis does it give the amount of time? The only time mentioned, I think, is “day”. God created this or that on a particular day. If you take a literal interpretation of Genesis, it could have taken God all day to create man. Is that what you mean by instant?

What makes you think that natural disasters aren’t part of God’s plan? I’m of the opinion that God created everything. The world works the way it does, including the weather, because God created it that way.

Do you think that sin causes hurricanes? I’m really unsure why you mention natural disasters. Are you saying that humans’ sin caused hurricanes? Before the first human being, there were no hurricanes, floods, etc?

That’s a pretty hard claim to defend, since there is plenty of evidence that there was bad weather and other natural disasters long before the first human walked the planet.
 
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Kaninchen said:
You make your religion sound like an intellectual house of cards that collapses at the thought of an old lemur.
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This is the best answer yet.

Truth doesn’t contradict truth.

If you fear (and this thread is all about fear on the OP’s part) that the truth is disproving the Bible, you need to reasses your interpretation of the Bible.

People once thought that the earth was the center of the universe. I’m sure there were plenty of people whose faith was destroyed when they found out they were wrong. Maybe, like the OP, they thought that they couldn’t believe in God anymore. Imagine how upsetting it must’ve been to find out that man’s planet isn’t the center of the universe. Imagine how many people thought that morality must necessarily die with the idea that the universe revolved around us. Weren’t we the focus of God’s creation? Wasn’t everything else made for us? How could it be that we were just small specks on one of many planets that revolve around the sun? If we’re not the center and focal point of everything, what point is there in being moral? We’re just one of many. Nothing special. Made like everything else that’s revolving around the Sun. And not even the biggest at that? We’re a tiny specks on a little planet with only one moon, circling a sun that shines just as brightly for all the planets as it does for us.

Of course the science wasn’t wrong. And the Bible wasn’t wrong. The people were wrong.

Is it so hard to admit that you’re wrong? Is it so hard that you would rather give up your faith or disbelieve the truth that’s so obvious?

What kind of faith is that? Is your belief in your interpretation so strong that it’s actually stronger than your faith in God?

Do you worship God or a particular interpretation of Genesis? I ask because in accepting the truth of evolution, you aren’t giving up faith in God, but only a literal interpretation of Genesis.

That interpretation was proved wrong so long ago that in this communications age it’s hard to understand why anyone still insists on it–and so staunchly that they would give up God and truth rather than give up a mistaken interpretation.
 
matahari said:
but still calls it all " very good "
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I often see this quoted, but I would suggest that you read Genesis more closely. There are aspects of the pre-Fall world that God created that were not “very good” but were “not good”.Genesis 2:18 “And the Lord God said: It is not good for man to be alone: let us make him a help like unto himself.” (emphasis added)
The pre-Fall world was not perfect.

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rossum said:
I often see this quoted, but I would suggest that you read Genesis more closely. There are aspects of the pre-Fall world that God created that were not “very good” but were “not good”.Genesis 2:18 “And the Lord God said: It is not good for man to be alone: let us make him a help like unto himself.” (emphasis added)
The pre-Fall world was not perfect.

rossum
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Good point, rossum! (No pun intended.)
 
Another aspect of evolution that I think that is overlooked is free will. In evolution every single organism within creation exercises some level of free will. This is part of the evolutionary process. Some individual creatures, and some entire species makes choices and adaptations that sometimes leads to personal or communal destruction. Is that harsh? Yes but that is life. Life is beautiful, vibrant, inspiring, messy, unequal, and dangerous. A microscopic bacteria can kill a human at the top of the food chain, but humans, can produce anti-biotics that can kill those organisms. An, ant may be eaten by a mouse, who is eaten by a bird, who is eaten by a cat, who dies and is eaten by ants.

God loves life, and life is both delicate and tenacious. To be honest I think that the world is just about as perfectly designed as it can be. It allows creation to have free will and yet be as generally wonderful an experience as possible.
 
kalt said:
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Truth doesn’t contradict truth.

Of course the science wasn’t wrong. And the Bible wasn’t wrong. The people were wrong.

Is it so hard to admit that you’re wrong? Is it so hard that you would rather give up your faith or disbelieve the truth that’s so obvious?

What kind of faith is that? Is your belief in your interpretation so strong that it’s actually stronger than your faith in God?

Do you worship God or a particular interpretation of Genesis? I ask because in accepting the truth of evolution, you aren’t giving up faith in God,

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Sounds as if you’re remonstrating with yourself. Give up your adherence to the wacky theory of evolution and you’ll be able to see more clearly to take speck out of your brother’s eye .
 
TruthisBeauty7 said:
Im starting to see evolution as true…I seriously want to discuss the implications this has on faith and morality.
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Ignoring the first part, which is, ironically, a deception…

Morals are practical a priori truths. As such, no sort of observation or even theoretical framework about what “is” (including synthetic speculative truths), could possibly change what ought to be.

I ask then, could you come up with even one example, of something that could be learned about what is in the world, that would change how we ought to live? And how would “what is” change our knowledge about “what ought to be”?
 
matahari said:
You’re contradicting the Bible
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I was quoting the Bible, Genesis 2:18 as I said. Are you saying that the Bible can contradict itself? If you think that “perfect” is the same as “not good” then I will have to disagree with you.
to try to defend your Religion which is Evolution
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If you look at the top right corner of my posts you will see that my religion is Buddhism.

rossum
 
matahari said:
For anyone who’s Bible literate. The first Ch. Genesis states Then God said , then God said,…
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Yes it does.
God said When God speaks things happen instantaneously , not x billion or million years later.
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This is an addition to to the Genesis account and is not found in it. What version do you read that says “instantaneously?”
 
if evolution is true then all of the abrahamic faiths are in direct opposition no way around it… but they’ve been on the wrong side of science since the beginning of time, you would think by sheer chance they would’ve gotten something right by now.

that said the idea that ida proces evolution is laughable… i believe evolution is possible but it is imo very far from being proven.
 
Evolution is not compatiable with Christianity. and its a total farce . Evolution is more a religion then any real science.
 
TruthisBeauty7 said:
Evolution is not compatiable with Christianity. and its a total farce . Evolution is more a religion then any real science.
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Maybe not for you. However, it is for me and it is for the Catholic Church.

You can post in ever post that evolution is a religion ad infinitum. It will never be more than an opinion. I see no characteristics of a religion in the theory.
 
KantianAgnostic said:
Ignoring the first part, which is, ironically, a deception…

Morals are practical a priori truths. As such, no sort of observation or even theoretical framework about what “is” (including synthetic speculative truths), could possibly change what ought to be.

I ask then, could you come up with even one example, of something that could be learned about what is in the world, that would change how we ought to live? And how would “what is” change our knowledge about “what ought to be”?
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** The Shroud of Turin there’s your one example.**
 
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