The Missing Passover

[qui_est_ce]

This site, though from an evangelical, is very interesting–and I happened to catch the DVD presentation on TBN around Christmas.

bethlehemstar.net

Actually Mr. Larsen comes up with things that support Catholic teaching–such as the “Woman crowned with the sun” in Revelations primarily refers to the Blessed Virgin Mary.

Mr Larsens investigations lead him to singling out 3 April 33 AD as Cruxifiction Friday–the only Passover during Pilate’s administration that expereinced a full lunar eclipse, a “blood moon”

*bethlehemstar.net/day/day.htmWhat can we learn from the Jewish calendar?. Quite a lot, if we assemble the puzzle pieces. By law and custom, the Jewish people of Jesus’ day took the Sabbath as a day of complete rest (1). Because no work could be done on the Sabbath, which we call Saturday, Friday came to be known as Preparation Day (2). It was a day when food and other things needed for Saturday were prepared in advance. This is our first clue to the date of the crucifixion, because all four Gospels state that Jesus was crucified on Preparation Day, a Friday (3). This is also the common consensus of the Church Fathers and scholars throughout church history (4).

The Gospels also record that the crucifixion occurred the day before the Passover festival (5). This is a second important clue, because it gives us a solid connection with the ancient Jewish calendar system. Passover always begins on the 14th day of the Jewish lunar month of Nisan. (Nisan 14 is in the Spring, which is why Easter is celebrated then). By Judean tradition, Passover begins at twilight, the dividing line between Nisan 14 and 15 (6).

On the Jewish calendar (and on ours) a numbered day of the month may fall on any day of the week. For example, in one year your birthday might fall on Tuesday, in the next year it might fall on Thursday. This “float” among days of the week is why this second clue is so powerful. Putting these two Biblical puzzle pieces together, we see that the crucifixion must have occurred in a year when Nisan 14 happened to fall on a Friday, Preparation Day. That narrows things down considerably.*

What amases me is that so many people think that Christ was crucified on a Friday.

I understand you have your theory, but the above has much more historical and traditional suppport.

So don’t be AMAZED!

 

[reen12]

We don’t worry about anything. Only to serve God through obedience to the Law. Prayers after death are a waste of time.

Ben

Hello, Ben Masada. It may be of interest to followers and participants in your thread
to have some understanding of Kaddish.

2/3 down the following webpage: see Kaddish

jewfaq.org/death.htm

Best wishes,

reen12

 

[ralphinal]

There is a big difference between hypothesis and speculation. Hypothesis is an assumption. Speculation is a paraphrase on written evidences.

Nope. A hypothesis is a testable concept made to answer a question. You have no testable thing there. All you have is your opinion and it is based on nothing but your hatred for Christianity.

Now, if you want to make a hypothesis and we can discuss the facts and test it, good.

Otherwise, it is an opinion. And you know what they say about opinions…

 

[BRIT72]

Still doesn’t mean that either Passover or its Day of Preparation IS a Sabbath - any more than a Friday IS a Sabbath. Each week, including the week of Passover, still has only ONE Sabbath and never, as you stated, TWO Sabbaths. Get your facts straight if you expect to be listened to.

It’s not scripture but its events nonetheless form the base of one of the biggest religious festivals in the Jewish calendar? That’s like a Jew saying ‘hey, I don’t believe the Gospels are scripture but I’m still going to celebrate Christmas anyways, since it’s a historical fact that Christ was born’.

Jews don’t celebrate Christmas in spite of its undoubted historical basis, and we don’t, by the same token, celebrate Hanukkah in spite of its undoubted historical basis, any more than either Jews or Christians celebrate Muhammad’s Hajj (journey to Mecca) although that undoubtedly happened as well.

The event has no significance except as a point of religious faith, and in accepting and celebrating the religious festival you’re acknowledging the religious authority of the texts that contain that truth.

Thank God for giving us his word to read everyday.
You don’t have a point about the sabbath, I take it back. I was confused, trying to keep up with all the threads I’m posting on, that I didn’t see it.

And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! John 19:14.
The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. John 19:31

The Lord Jesus Christ was crucified on preparation day, for the passover, it is called sabbath, an high day. Also proveing that the Lord was not crucified on a Friday, which it couldn’t have been for another reason, that being, he was in the grave for 72 hours, three whole day’s.

 

[Lapell]

BRIT72;5115546:

How about the other Jews crucified by the Romans? Were not they also passover lambs? I hope you don’t suppose that Jesus was the only Jew crucified by the Romans. Read Josephus.

Well, if we discuss about Jesus, why bring up the other Jews crucified by the Romans? They hadn’t claimed to be the Messiah nor the Son of God or God the Son…

 

[Lapell]

Nope. A hypothesis is a testable concept made to answer a question. You have no testable thing there. All you have is your opinion and it is based on nothing but your hatred for Christianity.

Now, if you want to make a hypothesis and we can discuss the facts and test it, good.

Otherwise, it is an opinion. And you know what they say about opinions…

You’re right, ralphinal. Moreover, he is not a scholar, and he doesn’t even believe there is an afterlife. Which would make the necessity to do good things quite funny, except maybe in order to have other people do good things to you, even though they would not really be obliged to, since there would be no afterlife…

 

[qui_est_ce]

Thank God for giving us his word to read everyday.

:thumbsup

The Lord Jesus Christ was crucified on preparation day, for the passover, it is called sabbath, an high day. Also proveing that the Lord was not crucified on a Friday, which it couldn’t have been for another reason, that being, he was in the grave for 72 hours, three whole day’s.

Not sure where you got the 72 hours. The Bible does say 3 days in many places. Jewish don’t use 24 hours to measure a day. They count Friday, day 1, Saturday, day 2, Sunday, day 3.

 

[ralphinal]

:thumbsup Not sure where you got the 72 hours. The Bible does say 3 days in many places. Jewish don’t use 24 hours to measure a day. They count Friday, day 1, Saturday, day 2, Sunday, day 3.

Part of the day is all the day

 

[ralphinal]

You’re right, ralphinal. Moreover, he is not a scholar, and he doesn’t even believe there is an afterlife. Which would make the necessity to do good things quite funny, except maybe in order to have other people do good things to you, even though they would not really be obliged to, since there would be no afterlife…

It would also mean that sin is unimportant. Why should I care about offending God if the good end up the same way as the bad?

If he wants to write it as a hypothysis, it would be good for us to help

 

[Lapell]

May the Good Lord have mercy on Ben, just as He had mercy on Saul of Tarse when He appeared to him on his way to Damascus… May the One True God truly show him the Truth after having prepared his head, heart and soul to become able to take It. Shalom lekha, Ben Masada!
You’re doing us bad things with your fallacies, but may the Lord God bring you to know Him much better than you have ever had… if youreally are a truth-seeker and an observer of the Commandments. Again, shalom lekha!

 

[Lapell]

It would also mean that sin is unimportant. Why should I care about offending God if the good end up the same way as the bad?

If he wants to write it as a hypothysis, it would be good for us to help

If he would stick to that false opinion, God help him! He might end up in the province of “the Other Side”, which we call hell. If he gets there, nothing could be done for him! I still wish all the best, but to obtain he will have to get quite a U-turn from what he’s been doing up to now on CAF. Lord God, have mercy on him!

 

[Lapell]

Thank God for giving us his word to read everyday.
You don’t have a point about the sabbath, I take it back. I was confused, trying to keep up with all the threads I’m posting on, that I didn’t see it.

And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! John 19:14.
The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. John 19:31

The Lord Jesus Christ was crucified on preparation day, for the passover, it is called sabbath, an high day. Also proveing that the Lord was not crucified on a Friday, which it couldn’t have been for another reason, that being, he was in the grave for 72 hours, three whole day’s.

You may not know it, BRIT72, but the Preparation day, or the day of the preparation, is the day preceding Sabbath! So Christ WAS crucified on a Friday!
Only, “the day of preparation of the Passover” means, not that it was the day preceding the first day of the Passover, but the Preparation Day DURING the Passover!!
The reference to that Sabbath as a solemn day meant that since it was during Passover, it was therefore a solemn because of that. The whole of the Passover is solemn, even though the solemnity of the period is marked more solemnly on the First Day of the Passover. O.K.?

 

[Lapell]

Yes, Ben has forced us to read our Gospels again, but let’s not be too quick so as to give up what our faith teaches us. No need of tabula rasa here, it would be spiritually harmful, and then harmful to our soul, and thus to our whole selves. Let’s be very careful…

 

[Ben_Masada]

Yes, Ben has forced us to read our Gospels again, but let’s not be too quick so as to give up what our faith teaches us. No need of tabula rasa here, it would be spiritually harmful, and then harmful to our soul, and thus to our whole selves. Let’s be very careful…

**What’s the matter Lapell? No need to be afraid. I have been out of the cave and I saw the light. Then Isaiah told me to bring some back to you inside. That’s in Isaiah 42:6. **

 

[Ben_Masada]

May the Good Lord have mercy on Ben, just as He had mercy on Saul of Tarse when He appeared to him on his way to Damascus… May the One True God truly show him the Truth after having prepared his head, heart and soul to become able to take It. Shalom lekha, Ben Masada!
You’re doing us bad things with your fallacies, but may the Lord God bring you to know Him much better than you have ever had… if youreally are a truth-seeker and an observer of the Commandments. Again, shalom lekha!

Tell me Lapell, do you really mean from your heart the words you say above, or they are only in your mouth? I think those “bad things” you say I am doing to you, they are making you very uncomfortable now that you don’t know what to do between the Faith of Jesus, which was Judaism, and the blinders that the Church has wrapped around your head and allow you to see only what they decide you should. I think you should start being a little more intependent. You might be walking in the dark.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Tell me Lapell, do you really mean from your heart the words you say above, or they are only in your mouth? I think those “bad things” you say I am doing to you, they are making you very uncomfortable now that you don’t know what to do between the Faith of Jesus, which was Judaism, and the blinders that the Church has wrapped around your head and allow you to see only what they decide you should. I think you should start being a little more intependent. You might be walking in the dark.

How does this pertain to the topic of the thread? And you realize non-Catholics must be respectful of the Catholic faith on these forums?

 

[Lapell]

Tell me Lapell, do you really mean from your heart the words you say above, or they are only in your mouth? I think those “bad things” you say I am doing to you, they are making you very uncomfortable now that you don’t know what to do between the Faith of Jesus, which was Judaism, and the blinders that the Church has wrapped around your head and allow you to see only what they decide you should. I think you should start being a little more intependent. You might be walking in the dark.

Doing what you are doing, putting the verses out of their context and using pick-and-choose among the verses to make them fit your false theories, Ben, is not doing any good. You don’t defend Truth by spreading lies… unless you want to catch guilty people like in detective mysteries, which is obviously not the case here…
And you are telling me that I might be walking in the dark! Assuming, of course, that YOU are walking in the Light! Of course you can’t err in anything, I guess. While I do know that I could fall any time. I did err in one thing in your thread on “The missing Passover”. I acknowledged it. Can you acknowledge your mistakes and errors? Given what I have read from you up to now, I’d hardly believe so…
And yes, what I said was from the bottom of my heart, and I certainly will maintain it here and always, as long as needed.

 

[qui_est_ce]

You may not know it, BRIT72, but the Preparation day, or the day of the preparation, is the day preceding Sabbath! So Christ WAS crucified on a Friday!
Only, “the day of preparation of the Passover” means, not that it was the day preceding the first day of the Passover, but the Preparation Day DURING the Passover!!
The reference to that Sabbath as a solemn day meant that since it was during Passover, it was therefore a solemn because of that. The whole of the Passover is solemn, even though the solemnity of the period is marked more solemnly on the First Day of the Passover. O.K.?

Could you explain that again?

 

[Ben_Masada]

Doing what you are doing, putting the verses out of their context and using pick-and-choose among the verses to make them fit your false theories, Ben, is not doing any good. You don’t defend Truth by spreading lies… unless you want to catch guilty people like in detective mysteries, which is obviously not the case here…
And you are telling me that I might be walking in the dark! Assuming, of course, that YOU are walking in the Light! Of course you can’t err in anything, I guess. While I do know that I could fall any time. I did err in one thing in your thread on “The missing Passover”. I acknowledged it. Can you acknowledge your mistakes and errors? Given what I have read from you up to now, I’d hardly believe so…
And yes, what I said was from the bottom of my heart, and I certainly will maintain it here and always, as long as needed.

**Do you really want me to tell you who is spreading lies? I will, and I can prove to you who is spreading lies but you won’t like. Some people don’t like to hear the truth.

Jesus was a Jewish man, and according to Judaism there is no such a thing as Greek Mythology. To spread around that he was son of God, without a human father, is the worst lie in the History of the world, and you are spreading it here and everywhere. Should I continue? I don’t think so. The post will be too long. The NT is loaded with them.**

 

[Ben_Masada]

How does this pertain to the topic of the thread? And you realize non-Catholics must be respectful of the Catholic faith on these forums?

How about the Catholics, are they not supposed to respect
the guests? I have been called a liar here many times. Is this respect? I think this is a Catholic way to evade the issue that they are unable to refute. A really low punch, don’t you think so?