Again are you saying that Muslims who are aware of the Ctatholic church and its teachings, and continue to remain muslim (and deny the bible, divinity of christ, trinity, etc) can remain muslim and go to heaven? Yes or no?No Pope Francis and the Catholic Faith states that. Now you would like to condemn me in your Christian love?
And Jesus answered him: The first commandment of all is, Hear, O Israel: the Lord thy God is one God. And thou shalt love the Lord thy God, with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind, and with thy whole strength. This is the first commandment. And the second is like to it: Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is no other commandment greater than these. --Mark 12:29-31Muslims adhere to the commandments of Christ? You are invoking a heresy. They DENY his divinity, they DENY his crucifixtion. Your saying they keep his commandments are you kidding me?
And no I dont love Judaism. Judaism is a false religion and its adherents will die and go to hell if they dont convert to Christianity.
Its Biblical revelation. My position is the problem can be addressed and resolved to the degree where we don’t wind up in bondage. However you position cannot be sustained and its extreme left while others are extreme right.So, how are you going to reconcile all the various references to how we should embrace these “brothers” and those waiting to be saved when they are about to behead you? The reality of the brutality and the resolve of the Jihad has a tendency to negate all idealistic beliefs that they will be saved before they erradicate all of the Christian faiths.
Yes protestants belong to a false religious system. Unitarians dont believe in the trinity and will die and go to hell unless they repent of that. Muslims and Jews who are aware of the teachings of the Catholic Church and choose to remain outside of it will go to hell for eternity.And Jesus answered him: The first commandment of all is, Hear, O Israel: the Lord thy God is one God. And thou shalt love the Lord thy God, with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind, and with thy whole strength. This is the first commandment. And the second is like to it: Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is no other commandment greater than these. --Mark 12:29-31
The above are the two great commandments of Christ. I deeply believe that many Muslims and Jews inadvertently adhere to Christian doctrine better than do many Christians, and thus will be saved. Do you feel that Protestants are worshiping a false religion? Not all Protestants believe in the Holy Trinity, such as the Unitarians.
I recognize that America’s “freedoms” are satanic in nature, and anti-biblical.Its Biblical revelation. My position is the problem can be addressed and resolved to the degree where we don’t wind up in bondage. However you position cannot be sustained and its extreme left while others are extreme right.
Ignoring Americas Freedom for one works directly against you.
Why did Bl John Paul II kiss the Koran?Yes protestants belong to a false religious system. Unitarians dont believe in the trinity and will die and go to hell unless they repent of that. Muslims and Jews who are aware of the teachings of the Catholic Church and choose to remain outside of it will go to hell for eternity.
And btw, “loving thy God” is defined as obeying his commandments. Muslims do not obey the commandments of God or even believe in the biblical commandments for that matter. They do not love God regardless of what they say
Where does the Catholic Church condemn all these people to hell. Its a fact at the Council of Orange and Biblical that who the Son saves is indeed saved. You are not the dispenser of Grace. God is!Yes protestants belong to a false religious system. Unitarians dont believe in the trinity and will die and go to hell unless they repent of that. Muslims and Jews who are aware of the teachings of the Catholic Church and choose to remain outside of it will go to hell for eternity.
And btw, “loving thy God” is defined as obeying his commandments. Muslims do not obey the commandments of God or even believe in the biblical commandments for that matter. They do not love God regardless of what they say
There is no evidence he actually did that. The photo in question has some problems:Why did Bl John Paul II kiss the Koran?
You are actually being very unloving towards your muslim neighbors. What you are saying is that you are going to allow them to continue to practice their false religion and give them the LEAST chance of entering into the heavenly kingdom. If you really loved Muslims you would do your best to convert and give them the BEST CHANCE of entering the heavenly kingdom.Where does the Catholic Church condemn all these people to hell. Its a fact at the Council of Orange and Biblical that who the Son saves is indeed saved. You are not the dispenser of Grace. God is!
He comes to judge the living and the dead not YOU. At least according to my Bible.
I never said otherwise. I said we have to live within this and work to correct the wrongs in the right way, not YOUR way. You do not dispense the Grace and determine who receives it. In fact this is Biblical also.I recognize that America’s “freedoms” are satanic in nature, and anti-biblical.
- America says women have the “freedom” to murder their babies
- America says the public has the “freedom” to have separation of church and state
- America says you have the “freedom” to publically practice false and dangerous religions
- America is currently in the process of giving gays the “freedom” to marry
I do believe you’re living in a state of denial in thinking that Bl John Paul II did not kiss the Koran.There is no evidence he actually did that. The photo in question has some problems:
If you think John Paul was somehow validating Islam or saying you can be a Muslim and go to heaven you are wrong. In fact, him saying that would make him an apostate. This is the same pope who validated article 846 of the Catholic Catechism which states all those outside of the Catholic Church will die and go to the eternal fires of hell.
- There is no evidence that is a quran he is holding. The same insignia on the front is found on Arabic Gospels.
- The man standing next to him is NOT a Muslim, he is a christian.
- The photo DOES NOT show JPII’s lips touching the book in question, it shows him holding it in front of his face.
No thanks ill go ahead and take the biblical catholic way of approaching the problem. THose who are Catholic are MOST LIKELY to enter heaven, those who are not even Christian are LEAST LIKELY to go to heaven. Since I love my fellow human being I will do whatever it takes to make sure they have a good shot at entering the heavenly kingdom. Telling them they can continue to practice their false religion is actually one the greatest statements of hate you can tell any non-believer.I never said otherwise. I said we have to live within this and work to correct the wrongs in the right way, not YOUR way. You do not dispense the Grace and determine who receives it. In fact this is Biblical also.
In fact had you actually read the thread I already commented on abortion. I think you need to take a deep breath and chill out with your 17 posts.
There is no evidence that he did outside of this obscure photo in a muslim newspaper. If he did he was certainly not validating Islam or what the quran says. He himself validated article 846 of the Vatican II which states all those outside of the church will go to hell. Kapesh? Stop being ashamed of the gospel, stop allowing your fellow neighbor to sin himself to hell. Tell him the truth and the truth shall set him free.I do believe you’re living in a state of denial in thinking that Bl John Paul II did not kiss the Koran.
No that would be youYou are actually being very unloving towards your muslim neighbors. What you are saying is that you are going to allow them to continue to practice their false religion and give them the LEAST chance of entering into the heavenly kingdom. If you really loved Muslims you would do your best to convert and give them the BEST CHANCE of entering the heavenly kingdom.
So you are perfectly OK with your muslim neighbors going to hell, good to know. Let me ask you: When you meet a Muslim are you too ashamed to preach the gospel to him? If a Muslim asked you if he could remain a Muslim and go to heaven? Im sure you would say “Ohh yea, no problem. Just keep doing what your doing. Im sure you’ll get to heaven”No that would be you
You don’t read minds, and you don’t get to speak for me and tell me what I’m saying. And the only one lacking charity and Christian love has been you with your insults.
You are condemning them to hell would you like to see the post. And I suggest you read Light of the World about Islam.
The CCC doesn’t say its a false faith only YOU do.No thanks ill go ahead and take the biblical catholic way of approaching the problem. THose who are Catholic are MOST LIKELY to enter heaven, those who are not even Christian are LEAST LIKELY to go to heaven. Since I love my fellow human being I will do whatever it takes to make sure they have a good shot at entering the heavenly kingdom. Telling them they can continue to practice their false religion is actually one the greatest statements of hate you can tell any non-believer.
HAHAH, ur saying Islam is a true faith? Im sorry, you are not a believer in Christ if you believe thatThe CCC doesn’t say its a false faith only YOU do.
You have your own spin on what you think is Catholic. You do not dispense Gods Grace nor do you know how He does and to whom.
His covenant with Abraham/Israel is still in effect. You have no answers for this as already documented in this thread.
You do not know whos going to hell. And you don’t get to speak for me. You get to speak for you.So you are perfectly OK with your muslim neighbors going to hell, good to know. Let me ask you: When you meet a Muslim are you too ashamed to preach the gospel to him? If a Muslim asked you if he could remain a Muslim and go to heaven? Im sure you would say “Ohh yea, no problem. Just keep doing what your doing. Im sure you’ll get to heaven”
Ok well since I LOVE you and dont want you to go to hell and genuinely want you to enjoy the splendors of heaven I will tell you this.You do not know whos going to hell. And you don’t get to speak for me. You get to speak for you.