The New Catholic Church? Have the Rules Really Changed?

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This sounds more like a case of confusion among the clergy, perhaps as a result of poor formation, than a case of old Church - new Church.
I agree. I think depending on where and when your priest was educated you are going to get a range of answers on a question like this.

There is no “old Church” and “new Church”. The Church teaching on this has not changed.

I am a bit curious as to why you keep bringing this up in confession with priest after priest after priest. I can see perhaps getting a “second opinion” but I am not sure what your point is in asking four priests. Are you trying to see if they all will say the same thing? I can see a potential for this to go wrong just bsaed on how you present the issue to them.

I hope you are not asking in the spirit of trying to play “gotcha” with the priest if he says something wrong.
 
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Doesn’t mean they listen to the HS that is present
I think your ecclesiology is going to have to go bonkers if you operate on the belief that Catholic bishops in a legitimate Council could effectively contradict or even ignore the prompting of the Holy Spirit: this would basically open every Council to subjective interpretation because, perchance, only a minority or even none at all were actually being lead by the HS into the truth.
 
Why would a FSSP priest have a “better” understanding of a issue then a diocesan priest? Between a priest fresh out of seminary and or one 10 years out, I’d pick the veteran.
 
The story I am about to tell is the absolute truth. I am not making this up.
It seems like you are looking for people to tell you that what you are doing is wrong, or that your priest is wrong. Don’t take serious relationship or theological advice from internet forums - that way lies madness. Go back and talk to your priest, and talk to your wife. No anonymous advice on the internet is reliable - including mine. Go talk to a real person with real expertise who can really help you. Discussing this important topic with strangers on line is not going to be good for anyone involved.
 
The reason I kept bringing it up is because I had doubts that the priests who said there was no mortal sin were telling me the truth. And the truth is what I was seeking, no matter the difficulty for me. Another reason for bringing it up was to simply confess my sins.

What I have come to believe through all of this is that there are just three possibilities: A) The priests are sorely lacking in knowledge, B) The priests reject what the Church teaches, or C) The Church has changed its position. I believe that the answer is A and B. And I think it’s the result of the cultural changes in society today where the extremes are going off the rails trying to defeat each other.
 
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In this case he has but is having a hard time with the 3 out of 4 priests…
 
In this case he has but is having a hard time with the 3 out of 4 priests…
None of our business. It is irresponsible for unqualified anonymous posters to advise someone on an issue like this. He needs to talk to a qualified person who can delve into the situation and give real advice.
 
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There is a D…that based on your situation, the standard answer doesn’t really apply…I’ve been doing some research and according to the most of what I’ve seen, it is sinful however the reason on why, seem for rigid understanding. I hate to say this but it looks to me like you may never have a definite answer until the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith or the Pope makes a definite decision.
 
Personally, I think the link in the minds of many between “the spirit of Vatican II” and things like liturgical abuses, false teaching, etc., is itself the work of Satan.
I don’t think I am being clear. I’ve heard people say incorrect things and attribute it to ‘The spirit’ of Vatican II. Not the Holy Spirit, but ‘The spirit of the law’.

Things like ‘Contraception isn’t a big deal, because of the spirit…’

I’m not saying Vatican II is bad at all. Though I love the Latin Mass, I also love the Novus Ordo. And the (few) documents I’ve read from Vatican II are very cool.

But it doesn’t mean that good teaching always filters down to the street level.

Most of the time that’s okay, and just an honest mistake. Some of the time you get individuals who might have more of an agenda.
 
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What you need is a catechism, so that you know what the Church officially teaches and believes. We are in an age which suffers from poor catechesis (teaching knowledge) of the faith, poor formation of the religious and weak leadership. As frustrating as this can be, the Church has weathered far worse.

None of this changes what the Church holds to be truth as revealed by God to and through His Church.

Get a catechism - either a full version or a compendium , a Q&A catechism or even a pocket catechism and read it.

Then, you will know more than 95% of Catholics, can spot error more easily, will no longer be confused and can actually help others - even priests occasionally - by reminding them of the sacred deposit of faith.
 
There’s a fourth possibility too. The priests, suddenly confronted with a dilemma by a member of the faithful, try to give the best advice they can that will not result in you either getting divorced or leaving the Church. Some of them may even prioritize the latter two items over whether you are having sex in the exact correct and moral way. Not saying it’s right but it may have been something they were taught from a pastoral perspective.

If you want the right answer, do as someone else said. Read the applicable Catechism section. The Catechism is free online, so if you could get on here to post this, you could take 20 minutes and read the part that applies. And pray for our priests.
 
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What I don’t understand is how an honorable man like my pastor could tell me what he did with as much certainty as he expressed. So I am now inclined to believe a group of anonymous people over my parish pastor. That is just messed up.
nobody is perfect. I would ask my priest to show me where it says that my situation is or is not a sin. Obviously you have conflicting information so you should ask for clarification. Basically, a man can’t climax outside of the woman’s body. A woman may climax with or without a man inside. A double standard that benefits women!
 
As I mentioned above, why, if the priest was giving correct information, was he putting his soul “on the line.”
 
I would rarely ask a priest what was a sin. I would form my conscience. The catechism is a good start and then confess my sins. My conscience is more formed on these issues than most priests I’ve seen. Yes, I’ve had priests say contraception is not a sin. I know it is. And honestly it isn’t that hard to find out what the Church teaches!
 
The story I am about to tell is the absolute truth. I am not making this up.

About two years ago I went to confession and told the priest that my wife and I had sex without intercourse due to certain physical disabilities. The priest suggested I call his office and schedule a private meeting to discuss this in detail. A few weeks later I scheduled the meeting. We met in his office and talked for about 45 minutes. At the end of the discussion he asked me where I had heard that it was a mortal sin for a married couple to have sex without intercourse. I told him I had read it here on this website. He said “but the people on the website are anonymous”. He told me that it was not a mortal sin

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And now fast forward to last month. My parish was having its annual Easter confession. Numerous priests from around the area were invited to come and hear confessions. The priest I got was an older gentleman from a parish a few miles across the county. He had obviously been around long enough to know the rules. Because there were not enough confessionals for so many priests my confession was face to face. I told this priest that I had been told by other priests that having sex with my wife without intercourse was not a mortal sin. He said that it certainly was not a sin. He said it was a sin under “the old Catholic Church”. He said it is not a sin under the new Church. I sat there incredulous!
So you are speaking of masturbation?
Here’s From the CCC http://ccc.scborromeo.org.master.com/texis/master/search/?sufs=0&q=masturbation&xsubmit=Search&s=SS and it’s from scripture as well

From scripture

Genesis 38:9-10
But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. 10 What he did was wicked in the LORD’s sight; so the LORD put him to death also.

There is no “OLD” vs “NEW” Church.

Those priests were wrong.

If it is possible, after showing them what the CCC ergo the Church teaches, and scripture as well, (assuming you can do that) if no correction on their part, then their bishop needs to know what they are teaching.
 
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There was no zeitgeist. Not referring to you, but that is Leftist terminology, referring to some mythical concept. Nothing happened by itself. Time does not change anything, only people do. The goal was destruction. The destruction of key institutions down to neighborhoods.

The goal was to tell people not to trust the people they had trusted for decades. From the period: “Don’t trust anyone over 30!” And “We’ll burn this country down if we have to!” So, who to trust? They didn’t put it into so many words, but it boiled down to: “Trust us.” That’s right. We welcomed the strangers. We heard their destructive and fake gospel: Live with your girlfriend, marriage is just a piece of paper, smoke dope and use other illegal drugs, which they could supply. They kept using the word freedom. But what they were selling was corruption disguised as freedom. Enemy number one was the Catholic Church followed by sexual morality and the family. Those things had to go. A look at history:

1960 The FDA approves The Pill. Most women don’t want it and most women don’t have access to it.
1966 The National Organization for Women is founded. One of the founders, Betty Friedan, compared the family to “a comfortable concentration camp.” Feminist icon, Gloria Steinem, and co-founder of Ms. Magazine [1971], had this to say about men: “A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.”
1967 Time magazine runs a cover story about The Pill. The story tells women about a false freedom. What they called “Freedom from Fear.” Fear of what? Babies. They also had to move product.
1967 The Land O’ Lakes Statement is signed, which cut ties with the Catholic Church. The results?


1968 Humanae Vitae is published. Within 24 hours, those who had prepared an attack should the Pope go the “wrong way” follow through since he did.
http://www.ncregister.com/site/article/a_great_battle_for_love_and_the_family
“an event unprecedented in the history of the Church” cannot be overemphasized. A planned, coordinated attack to confuse Catholics and the general public.
1969 NARAL, or the National Association for the Repeal of Abortion Laws , is founded. However, this group used deceptions and falsehoods to sell abortion to the American public and the media. Co-founder, Bernard Nathanson, would later reveal the tactics used.


1970s So-called Adult Bookstores appeared everywhere. No one asked for them or wanted them. Laws were put in place to make sure they were not located near schools. Someone paid the rent, paid the photographers and printers and paid for distribution. Only a few years prior, the worst you could legally do was buy Playboy. Someone allowed others to sell graphic pornography. Then topless bars and strip clubs appeared. Did Catholics do this?
 
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The list of goals was: promote contraception, promote casual sex, promote abortion, and gradually present dysfunctional families on TV and movies. With movies, the goal was to increase the amount of sexually suggestive material to finally include partial and full nudity. Then, simulated sex scenes. On TV recently, living with your girlfriend without marriage.
1973 The Supreme Court, citing "penumbras and emanations: from the Constitution, makes a grave error. It legalizes abortion. Jane Roe was Norma McCorvey. She never got an abortion She actively became pro-life.
This was a planned attempt to get men to think about wrong forms of human sexuality, like two dogs meeting in an alley. There is no human dignity in this. So some men and women accepted a false idea. Casual sex was somehow viewed as OK. The Church never taught that.
All of the magazines sold in Adult Bookstores were bad and some people became addicted to them. The worst was a thick publication that had nude or partly nude photos of women who were looking for no-strings attached sex and their contact info. The goal was to get men used to the idea. So some tried it.
In summary, the present reflects Leftist/Marxist goals brought to life. Casual sex, booze and illegal drugs. Are Catholics behind the push for legal marijuana? Pope Francis has spoken out against it. Catholics should realize that those who said, “Don’t shove your religion done my throat.” are doing the same thing with their organized belief system. Just turn on the news. The two Detroit newspapers are doing nothing but promoting Leftist, and radical feminist ideas. Some people are happy that they have some things their way. Is it good? Just go to the CDC website and review their data about Sexually Transmitted Diseases. So those who throw the word Theocracy at Catholics should realize that they’ve installed a precise belief system and turned many away from the kind of living the Church has promoted all along. The end result is not good.
 
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