The new Coronovirus, Covid-19 and its spread globally

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Paddy1989:
The royal family today are nothing more than modern day celebrities, similar to the kardashians as the UK is a militant secular country and doesn’t care about the religious part they represent.
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I don’t really care for the royal family as celebrities but I do care about the monarchy because constitutional monarchy is the best form of government, which I would enjoy debating. Just not here as that would be taking this very large thread way off topic and I’m sure OurLadyofSorrows wouldn’t be too happy about that.
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They are not Monarchs in the true sense of wielding any power, their power is symbolic. They are figureheads and hold most influence as celebrities who have as much in common with Catholicism as an Islamic Cleric
 
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Freddy:
But I am seriously concerned about the delays in the US about getting anywhere near the level of control you need to get on top of this. I actually think you’ve left it too late and your deaths will be north of 250,000.

I can see a position where places like NZ and Australia will drop to a few isolated cases while it rages in places like the UK and the US. We’ll simply isolate from the rest of the world until the vaccine is ready. Nobody comes in. Nobody goes out.
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Much of the US is doing well, NY and NJ are the exceptions.

It will rise again in waves 2 & 3 … all across the world. Controlling the first wave doesn’t mean NZ and Australia are any safer in the future. We’ll all be playing ‘wack a mole’ starting by June.
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The idea i believe to keep numbers down now is to do so until a vaccine arrives, to try and make sure the curve comes in small waves we fight to keep down that let it overwhelm our hospitals
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A vaccine or effective treatment - some medications seem to be showing promise in being used to treat the virus.
 
LilyM said:
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Paddy1989:
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Theo520:
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Freddy:
But I am seriously concerned about the delays in the US about getting anywhere near the level of control you need to get on top of this. I actually think you’ve left it too late and your deaths will be north of 250,000.

I can see a position where places like NZ and Australia will drop to a few isolated cases while it rages in places like the UK and the US. We’ll simply isolate from the rest of the world until the vaccine is ready. Nobody comes in. Nobody goes out.
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Much of the US is doing well, NY and NJ are the exceptions.

It will rise again in waves 2 & 3 … all across the world. Controlling the first wave doesn’t mean NZ and Australia are any safer in the future. We’ll all be playing ‘wack a mole’ starting by June.
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The idea i believe to keep numbers down now is to do so until a vaccine arrives, to try and make sure the curve comes in small waves we fight to keep down that let it overwhelm our hospitals
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A vaccine or effective treatment - some medications seem to be showing promise in being used to treat the virus.
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I’ve seen that, hopefully there is a treatment that produces results consistent enough for it to be able to combat the Virus
 
TheHolyTrinity said:
A lot of us fear repeated rises, troughs and rises again. Hope in antibody testing until a vaccine arrives. 🙏
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If the peaks and troughs are small enough and manageable enough, then Covid-19 really could become “just another flu”.
 
Worldwide active cases growth factor was only 1.05 the last 24 hours.

Curve is starting to bend in a lot places in Europe.

NYC hospitalizations are down the last few days as well.

Stock market is going to open up big this morning.

Stay vigilant and with God grace we can defeat this thing.
 
Now we must start wrestling with what restriction remain after the shutdown.

This is an interesting article that covers more than just wearing masks

apnews.com

California county requires wearing masks when going outside

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Just days after recommending that people wear masks to prevent the spread of the coronavirus, a county in Southern California went a step further and ordered all residents to cover their faces when leaving home as the number of infections and deaths continued to rise across Califo
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Re masks: posted 22 days ago March 15
Zach said:
Why are we not being encouraged to wear masks? Health care workers are wearing them. People infected are wearing them. This proves they work. They aren’t a hundred percent effective but even if they are, say fifty percent effective, they are useful. I read they definitely make the virus droplets harder to spread. Yet I see nobody wearing them. I’d wear one but then everyone would think I was infected
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Just sayin
 
Greetings in Christ,
I live in New York City. This virus is serious. Please stay safe. There are numerous saints whose charisms include prayer for protection from infectious diseases. Such saints include Saint Rocco. God bless and Mary keep you.
 
Zach said:
Re masks: posted 22 days ago March 15
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Zach:
Why are we not being encouraged to wear masks? Health care workers are wearing them. People infected are wearing them. This proves they work. They aren’t a hundred percent effective but even if they are, say fifty percent effective, they are useful. I read they definitely make the virus droplets harder to spread. Yet I see nobody wearing them. I’d wear one but then everyone would think I was infected
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Just sayin
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Bears repeating that 22 days ago there was a looming shortage of masks for front line workers. That shortage may still be occurring, but hopefully sufficient new production numbers will alleviate that shortage. In the meantime, until we know with certainty that there are enough masks to provide health care workers and those infected with them, the general public need not wear them merely to wander outdoors.
 
So there is still a shortage. People are making their own or covering with other things. They could have also been advised to do that three weeks ago rather than just last week.
 
Zach said:
Why focus on one word in my post?
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The logic itself appears faulty.
If we are to make the best possible decisions, we need the best information.

Regardless of who is or is not recommending, if the reasoning behind it makes no sense, I will ignore the information.
 
Zach said:
So there is still a shortage. People are making their own or covering with other things. They could have also been advised to do that three weeks ago rather than just last week.
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People could have been acting on their own to “make their own” three weeks ago. Why do we need to rely on what we have “been advised?” No one was stopping anyone from acting prudently three weeks ago.

I believe I am perfectly capable to making decisions regarding possible dangers. If I lived in a large urban city, where the numbers infected are high, I would have been making masks all along. I live in a small city where the prevalence of COVID-19 is very low at the moment so I don’t think there is a need to weak a mask. I am a woodworker and have a few in my shop, but they will remain there for now.

Situations vary and will continue to do so. There is not a “one size fits all” solution, which is something progressive states like California seem to be in the habit of imposing.

I found this line rather interesting in the AP News article.
Riverside County Sheriff Chad Bianco urged residents to follow the new rules after his department lost two deputies to COVID-19.
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Does “lost” mean they have died or that they are off work because of the virus? The assumption seems to be they died, but that isn’t necessarily what the words mean.

Edit: It appears that two Riverside deputies have died. May they rest in peace. :cry:
 
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I live in an area that has more cases than any other in the state outside of big cities. Before the recommendation last week very few people wore masks. After it most people started wearing them. So not everyone will act on their own without guidance. I live nowhere near California and wasn’t even commenting on that. In my county or state it’s not mandated to wear them.
 
Zach said:
I live in an area that has more cases than any other in the state outside of big cities. Before the recommendation last week very few people wore masks. After it most people started wearing them. So not everyone will act on their own without guidance. I live nowhere near California and wasn’t even commenting on that. In my county or state it’s not mandated to wear them.
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I note the word “recommendation” and that “most people started wearing them.”

Hopefully, the “recommendation” took into account the current state of availability of masks in your state, otherwise it may be putting front line health care workers at risk.

Still, it is a “recommendation” that 'most people" followed which isn’t exactly the same thing as a California county requires wearing masks when going outside.

I have no problem with people acting “on recommendation,” I suppose the problem I have is with people who will NOT act “on their own guidance” WITHOUT recommendation or UNTIL someone in authority tells them what to do. Basically, the virtue of reasonable prudence on the part of each individual ought to be what society ought to aim for rather than people acting like sheep waiting for “guidance.”
 
Zach said:
So there is still a shortage. People are making their own or covering with other things. They could have also been advised to do that three weeks ago rather than just last week.
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Exactly. Barrier defense is the most effective way to prevent this aside from increased hygiene. I never understood the logic in telling people masks aren’t important. I get that health care workers are priority but you are correct, any barrier is better than nothing. If masks will help keep infection in, why wouldn’t they help keep it out? It’s not 100%, but what else is advisable if people are still wandering in public? The longer this virus has been in the US, the more details keep emerging. First it was supposedly only transmissible through coughs/sneezes, now it may be just through breathing and talking, now it may linger in the air and be spreadable from more than 6ft. Why not use your best defense with an enemy that is still unknown. From my window, I’m observing the rapid increase of people wearing masks on the street as opposed to three weeks ago. My roommate, who is on the front lines, spared one of her masks for me and I am grateful. She is protecting both of us by doing this. I wear it when in the common areas because you just don’t know and I would feel stupid later if I got it because I wasn’t covering my nose and mouth. The countries in Asia that are doing the best are using masks, we should learn from them and not act like we know it all.
 
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