The new Coronovirus, Covid-19 and its spread globally

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With respect you can kill anything with anything in those conditions. I could pour bleach on it, it will die.

The ultimate question is: will it kill the body we are trying to save?
Zzyzx_Road said:
we are going to get hammered no matter what. Restart the economy now before the damage to it gets out of control.
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Not at the cost of lives, don’t be impatient.
JoeFreedom said:
If your husband, wife, brother, sister, mom, dad were dying and the FDA told you they couldn’t try a drug that had great potential to save their life you’d be all fine with that because…well regulations.
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Yes, because unforseen consequences.
 

😟 😨 😰 :cry: 😠

Wasn’t it just weeks ago we saw Chinese police hauling people out of their homes.
I’m not at all comfortable with WHO.
Praying the USA withdraws all funds from WHO.
 
Really!!! Your mom is dying… dying… and you would be totally fine with waiting for 2 years of clinical trials (regulation), adhering to all the other regulations, which means your mom would NOT be given a potentially life-saving drug simply because you want to follow the bureaucratic red tape and ensure 100% safety and efficacy? So your mom is dead but you followed those regulations vs potentially saving them and maybe (again, maybe) having a few complications. I have no response to that.
 
And what if she dies with taking the treatment?

Lots of people have tried odd treatments for various treatments. Many were put forward by well meaning people, others were put forward by quacks. Some people got better, some didn’t.
 
What is there not to understand? Your mom is dying. She will not recover. Doctors must go through licensing to obtain prescription writing privileges. Most doctors are highly educated and intelligent. It is a choice between:
  1. doing nothing (because you want to adhere to all regulations) and inevitable death
  2. doing something and potentially avoiding death by prescribing a drug that has the potential to save that life, with maybe some side effects, and MAYBE not.
Come on people. I cannot be the only one who has any sense of rational thought here.

Do you not want to be at least given the option?
 
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Anrakyr said:
With respect you can kill anything with anything in those conditions.
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Which conditions specifically?

Medicos are not going to immediately go out and inject everyone with ivermectin. Well done to researchers for identifying what is killing this virus. Bleach obviously could not be used on living beings safely.
Happy cake day.
 
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JoeFreedom said:
Really!!! Your mom is dying… dying… and you would be totally fine with waiting for 2 years of clinical trials (regulation), adhering to all the other regulations, which means your mom would NOT be given a potentially life-saving drug simply because you want to follow the bureaucratic red tape and ensure 100% safety and efficacy? So your mom is dead but you followed those regulations vs potentially saving them and maybe (again, maybe) having a few complications. I have no response to that.
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Fortunately, this is not what is happening. Doctors can proscribe on a compassionate basis right now.
 
Having gone through the agony of having to make such decisions, I don’t want to be handed options that have this disclaimer “we have no solid proof that this will work on someone as critical as your mom. Some doctors say it worked on fairly mild cases, some say it didn’t. Some other studies with Vitamin C, Vitamin D, Vitamin B12 also showed similar results. There is no standard treatment we can suggest, so whatever you want as a non-doctor and non-scientist is up to you”

It’s hard enough being in that situation without being told you are responsible for killing a person because you either withheld the medicine or insisted they have it.
 
Ivermectin may be effective with also treating animals with CoVID-19 - though can be poisonous with some animals due to a defective gene. The drug can cause neurotoxicity in some people. It may help prevent the SAR-CoVID-19 development.
 
You’re really not understanding. Your mom is going to die. Will die. Going to be dead.

You’d rather NOT be given an option to do anything.

The doctor says, “Your mom will die. We can let her die. Or… we can give her {insert drug name} that indicates some people recover, but may have side effects, but could help. Do you want to wait until the clinical trials in 2 years are over which will be after she is dead, or proceed with not letting your mom die?”
 
As I said, I was told I would have to make such a decision once. It is not an easy one to make and there are a lot more factors than what you have put forward.

Having people suggest that unless one makes the decision they would make does not help with the feelings one has for years, no matter what the decision is.

Not everyone that disagrees with you is wrong or evil or wanting to kill their mom. For you to suggest that one wants their mother to die shows a lack of empathy for other people’s situations.
 
Yes, I feel the tiger and the cat issue are only the tip of the iceberg here. Some of the dog herding breeds cannot tolerate ivermectin.
 
I have read that some doctors have stopped using chloroquine due to side effects like cramping and peripheral blindness in some patients. But also read that the form in hydroxychloroquine is gentler, like the one used by dr Zelenko. In a hospital near our area, they have a high 81 percent discharge rate and was said to have used chloroquine, azithromycin, zinc and vitamin C.

Like Fr Rick, I am hoping and praying for a Easter miracle.
 
The data for the effectiveness of this drug could be already out there in sections of society that do already use this drug such as those with some autoimmune diseases. I really dont understand why that data is not being used.
Unless it is and is not yet published.

For example, how many of those in hotspot virus areas, and already taking this drug, either got the virus, died from it, or recovered.
Ferrets also are very susceptible to this virus, do they also tolerate the drug.
 
OurLadyofSorrows said:
The data for the effectiveness of this drug could be already out there in sections of society that do already use this drug such as those with some autoimmune diseases. I really dont understand why that data is not being used.
Unless it is and is not yet published.
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I expect the data needs to be aggregated, cleansed, checked, and analyzed, but it is out there in it’s raw form. Many research careers will be made on this in the coming years.

Coming at it from the other angle, here is a global survey on treatments used by doctors, etc treating COVID-19. Here are the topics covered
  • Section 1: Peak Timing & Restrictions
  • Section 2: Government Effectiveness
  • Section 3: Top Three Physician Needs
  • Section 4: Average Time for Getting a COVID-19 Test Result
  • Section 5: Treatments & Efficacy
  • Section 6: Prioritizing Patient Treatment in Case of Ventilator Shortage
  • Section 7: Second Wave of Outbreak
  • Section 8: Physician Requests to Life Science Firms to Lessen the Impact of COVID-19
  • Section 9: COVID-19 Concerns
 
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