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You misread my post
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Ammi
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I mean Catholic public.
If someone is going to make an act of service to the Church (from their own point of view, I know you feel it was a disservice), the Church is entitled to ask, who and why it was done.
These men are willing to answer for their stance and deed. If they arent, then they shouldnt be doing it.
That means they are willing to be prosecuted by the law for theft and vandalism.
But according to Church law, it is a justified deed to remove and dispose. I dont think Pope Francis even criticized the act as wrong. He only apologized to those offended.
If someone is going to make an act of service to the Church (from their own point of view, I know you feel it was a disservice), the Church is entitled to ask, who and why it was done.
These men are willing to answer for their stance and deed. If they arent, then they shouldnt be doing it.
That means they are willing to be prosecuted by the law for theft and vandalism.
But according to Church law, it is a justified deed to remove and dispose. I dont think Pope Francis even criticized the act as wrong. He only apologized to those offended.
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Ah, very true! I did!
Water takes time to damage wood.
A wooden statue is not damaged simply by taking a swim…as it appears these did.
Documentation would be required to claim damage to these wooden statues.
Claiming vandalism on the intent to destroy is a misuse of the word at best and bearing false witness at worst.
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Polak
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Yes he did give that reason for revealing himself, in his video. I understand that, but once he revealed who he is and explained why he (and his friend) did this, he could have left it at that. Say everything you want to say in your youtube video so people can see, and it’s done. Instead, he seemed very keen on showing himself in as much media as possible, doing various interviews, and is now taking a trip to the USA to give a ‘talk’ on what he did.
As I said, I don’t think he is being honest by saying he didn’t do this for publicity, and that’s what I don’t like about him.
I think in part, he did it because he disagreed with the idols being in the church, but another part of him was also thinking about how if he does this, it will be major news, and when he reveals himself, he will be mentioned all over the media (the Catholic media at least) and will become much more prominent. He seems like a smart man, I’m sure he calculated it.
Asking for donations on his site too, without saying anything about what they are going to, except for a possible court case, that might not even happen, what’s going on there? It just doesn’t seem right.
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GiftofMercy
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Just because we use a straw to make a house, it doesnt mean it is not a straw. Just because we use a piece of porcelain pottery to make a mosaic, it doesnt make it not a piece of porcelain pottery.
Emeraldlady
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This issue is serving to further destroy the consciences of some people it seems. Taking something that doesn’t belong to you and proceeding to destroy it, is the definition of vandalism. Nobody can put themselves above the law and expect no consequences.
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As the Cardinal said…
It may have been against civil law, but bringing the object into the Church was against God’s law.
If I did it, (which i would first have told the parish priest) but if i did do it, i would accept civil consequence.
I wouldnt get a lawyer, that’s for sure! I’d be doing it knowing it’s right in God’s sight, and ready to accept civil repercussion.
It may have been against civil law, but bringing the object into the Church was against God’s law.
If I did it, (which i would first have told the parish priest) but if i did do it, i would accept civil consequence.
I wouldnt get a lawyer, that’s for sure! I’d be doing it knowing it’s right in God’s sight, and ready to accept civil repercussion.
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Emeraldlady
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Same distorted attitude that led to the killing of abortion doctors.
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Ammi
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Not at all. It’s not theft, because it is forbidden to be in the Church to begin with. And no body is getting hurt or killed.Ammi:
Same distorted attitude that led to the killing of abortion doctors.
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The online dictionary has an entirely different definition.
It says :
willful or malicious destruction or defacement of public or private property
Wikipedia also lists it as follows:
Vandalism is the action involving deliberate destruction of or damage to public or private property.
The online legal dictionary lists it as follows:
Vandalism
The intentional and malicious destruction of or damage to the property of another.None say intent.
All center on act.
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Emeraldlady
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What? All those definitions cite intent.
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Ammi
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To be fair, I think the physical act could be called vandalism.
But circumstances make a difference.
You cant decry a violation of something, when there was a violation to place the thing there to begin with.
But circumstances make a difference.
You cant decry a violation of something, when there was a violation to place the thing there to begin with.
True.
But there are those that do not recognize the crime in placing this pagan idol in the Church.
They are trying to pin some other crime upon those that did it…and can’t.
So they are making it up.
Either they truly do not know the definition of the words being used, or they are guilty of bearing false witness.
Emeraldlady
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You are calling a thing a ‘crime’ that isn’t a crime. There’s no crime on the books in western countries regarding placing anything in a Church. It seems you are wishing for some sort of theocratic State like Islamic State. But be careful what you wish for is the rule of thumb in these matters.
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And so is Cardinal Müller:
“To throw it out, can be against human law, but to bring the idols into the Church was a grave sin, a crime against the Divine Law.”
“To throw it out, can be against human law, but to bring the idols into the Church was a grave sin, a crime against the Divine Law.”
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godisgood77
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I hope we Catholics haven’t resorted to applauding theft and vandalism…
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Ammi
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But you dont mind a pagan goddess to infiltrate the faithful?
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Ammi
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Remember Jesus vandalized the money changers… with a whip
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