The Rapture of the Church...lemmy out of here

[jmcrae]

hey JM, i was directed to catholic.org to learn about catholicism. cause i didnt know much but what i saw my friends go thru, catchism, confimation. plus i hear things from people. i get directed to websites. some things i find out are ridiculous.the vatican has these canons. they have all sorts of beliefs in these different treaties and what have you. just millions of pages of stuff. the average joe in the pews kows nothing of these things. ill bet you dont know whats in them either.

I’ve skimmed through the Code of Canon Law - is that what you’re referring to? (I don’t remember reading any treaties in that.) But I don’t try to interpret it - that’s a job for canon lawyers.

Have you ever looked at the book of ordinances for your city’s by-laws? Most citizens don’t read those things - they just get up in the morning, go to work, obey all traffic signs and signals, pay their taxes, etc. without ever concerning themselves with other people’s business. And they get by just fine.

 

[SD_Catholic]

hey JM, i was directed to catholic.org to learn about catholicism. cause i didnt know much but what i saw my friends go thru, catchism, confimation. plus i hear things from people. i get directed to websites. some things i find out are ridiculous.the vatican has these canons. they have all sorts of beliefs in these different treaties and what have you. just millions of pages of stuff. the average joe in the pews kows nothing of these things. ill bet you dont know whats in them either. its all there for anyone to read, but no one really does. the average catholic goes to church, prays to his god, drops a dime in the basket and goes home, completely unaware of all the canons and what not. then i heard of this infalabiliy of the pope and infalabiliy of the writings of bishops and popes and what have you. so, the average catholic church goer believes that. ok, go to church, stand, sit, drop the dime and go home. but they arent aware of how falable the popes are and how absurd some of the writings are. just like i was taught george washington can not tell a lie. it was in college that i learned he was a falable human like me. does this make my position clearer?

Ahhh… now you’re getting somewhere… FYI— I bet jmcrae knows quite a bit about what’s in there (just by following the Church teachings)… in fact you might be quite suprised by what many Catholics actually know here… But like I said to you before… many Catholics don’t live out the faith that their Church teaches, but does this mean that the faith that Church teaches is wrong? The reason many “Catholics” end up here is because they want to learn something about their Catholic faith or want to understand how they can live out that faith better (How I got here)… describing your view of the “average” Catholic says nothing for what the Church actually teaches or why… Do you honestly think the CC is teaching something today that they don’t believe is in the best interest of the human soul?

SD

 

[SD_Catholic]

It seems I’ve gone way off topic… sorry to the OP

SD

 

[johnpaul87]

Hi johnpaul,

I am saved. I claim the Lord Jesus Christ as my Savior. I believe that he shed his blood to forgive me of my sins. I have been born again of water and spirit, and I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling, just like the St. Paul.

That being said, if you and I differ on a matter of theology, how will we know who is right?

I’m sure if you ask the head of Protestant denomination, they will all say that they are saved and born again. Yet, many denominations differ on many key points.

Again, what’s your litmus test? Many people who are saved also have differing theology, so how else can you tell who truly hears the Holy Spirit?

my friend SD, long time ago, i asked my protestant minister, who by the way married my parents and who i knew all my life and his kids, i asked him if he knew god personally. you know, like i know my best friend. walk togeather, talk togeather. he said he didnt personally know god. so i asked him; how can you stand there and talk about him and lead people to him if you dont even know him. a shepard is there when a sheep is born. all the sheep have been with this same shepard and know his shape and voice, and another they will will not obey.i was at some festival and a girl took me aside and gave me the " give yourself to god" speech. so, i said the prayer with her.asked jesus to show himself to me. well, nothing happened. but on the bus ride home, i remember all of a sudden everything looked different. hard to explain. i saw things different. stores, people, i saw things for what they were. just alot of nothing. hollow, useless. when i got home i was telling my parents all about the stuff in the bible. i dont know how, i never read it. my mother got scared and wouldnt let me take thefamily bible to my room. im different, i see different. i asked god to do a few things for me and he did them, some things i needed rite then. and he did them. to reinforce that i was actually now with god, he does things to show you that he is there. then the miracles start to taper off because you should be secure in christ by then. i wont get into what he did rite now cause i have a meeting to go to.i read acts 15. ive gone over it yrs ago. the only thing that resembles the catholic church is the pharisees laying rules and burdens on christians. do this, do that, keep the law, get circumsised. paul told them to jump in a lake. the holy ghost saves by grace, not by doing this and that.

 

[johnpaul87]

Ahhh… now you’re getting somewhere… FYI— I bet jmcrae knows quite a bit about what’s in there (just by following the Church teachings)… in fact you might be quite suprised by what many Catholics actually know here… But like I said to you before… many Catholics don’t live out the faith that their Church teaches, but does this mean that the faith that Church teaches is wrong? The reason many “Catholics” end up here is because they want to learn something about their Catholic faith or want to understand how they can live out that faith better (How I got here)… describing your view of the “average” Catholic says nothing for what the Church actually teaches or why… Do you honestly think the CC is teaching something today that they don’t believe is in the best interest of the human soul?

SD

ok SD, write the owners of this site and have the catholic canons in here for people to read. lets look directly at the core beliefs. i have to get up and out. later tonite ill go the the vatican official site and scan those canon and other witings by who ever. talk later my friends

 

[jmcrae]

ok SD, write the owners of this site and have the catholic canons in here for people to read. lets look directly at the core beliefs. i have to get up and out. later tonite ill go the the vatican official site and scan those canon and other witings by who ever. talk later my friends

No need to write to anyone: you can access them here.

But in any case, canon law is not the “core beliefs” of the Church. The core beliefs of the Church are found in its Creeds. “I believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty …” etc.

Canon Law simply spells out in detail the current disciplines of the Church.

 

[SD_Catholic]

ok SD, write the owners of this site and have the catholic canons in here for people to read. lets look directly at the core beliefs. i have to get up and out. later tonite ill go the the vatican official site and scan those canon and other witings by who ever. talk later my friends

We are getting way off topic… and there are many other posts that deal with your issues of concern… I’m not going to ask CAF to do anything… You don’t need the code of canon law to understand the “core” beliefs of the CC… the “Catechism of the Catholic Church” does that just fine

I must say your stories continue to baffle me… did you ever really join the CC? Is there a reason you still list “Catholic” as your religion when you detest almost everything it teaches?

SD

 

[SD_Catholic]

ok SD, write the owners of this site and have the catholic canons in here for people to read. lets look directly at the core beliefs. i have to get up and out. later tonite ill go the the vatican official site and scan those canon and other witings by who ever. talk later my friends

plus it would take you 3 years to read it all… It is very very long.

SD

maybe not 3 years, but a long time

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

hey onegod, so, is that the reason the Church forbid people from having a bible, to protect us? that is just so kind of them. what thoughtfull and helpfull people. um, say onegod, just one more thing, why did the church torture and kill those who were found with a bible. help me out here, im a little unknowledgeable in these areas. thanks

they did not forbid people to have bibles they forbid having unauthorized translations that contained translations errors. That is why the KJV was not to be owned or read by Catholics The KJV was not the only version but the most widely known. as stated the Douay Rheims which pre dates the KJV was not forbidden for ownership or reading. And the verse you provide is an excellent example of why.

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

hey bro scot, that question seems hard to answer. but sit back and think. is god telling the truth about adam and eve? who were adam and eve? god said; let us make man in our image, in our likeness. adam and eve were the first humans and the first creations that were just like god. the angels, the arcangels, the beasts around the thrones, none of them are just like god. so whoever was on he earth befor us were not human. the bible say that we were created a little below the angels but are crowned with glory.no other creation under heaven is crowned with glory.anyway, you have to keep in mind that a day with god can be a thousand yrs. in the spirit world, a second with us is a million lifetimes with them. all of the drama that went on in the earth befor us could have happend in the blink of our eyes.if the KJ say replenish, its good enough for me. anyway, its just a historical oddity, not in anyway involved in our salvation.

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

hey bro scot, that question seems hard to answer. but sit back and think. is god telling the truth about adam and eve? who were adam and eve? god said; let us make man in our image, in our likeness. adam and eve were the first humans and the first creations that were just like god. the angels, the arcangels, the beasts around the thrones, none of them are just like god. so whoever was on he earth befor us were not human. the bible say that we were created a little below the angels but are crowned with glory.no other creation under heaven is crowned with glory.anyway, you have to keep in mind that a day with god can be a thousand yrs. in the spirit world, a second with us is a million lifetimes with them. all of the drama that went on in the earth befor us could have happend in the blink of our eyes.if the KJ say replenish, its good enough for me. anyway, its just a historical oddity, not in anyway involved in our salvation.

First the Bible from start to finish is the plan for salvation, so yes it is involved with our salvation. Next you are leaving out that that there is no mention of God making any creatures on the earth prior to Man. he made the earth and sky the animals of the land sky and air then Man. On other man like creatures mentioned on the earth. Now later we read were there were some angles that took the daughter of man for wives and their offspring were the Nephlium which were distroyed in the flood.

 

[wanner47]

the holy ghost saves by grace, not by doing this and that.

And there, summed up in a sentence, is the teaching of the Catholic Church. However, the Church is also mindful of the words of St. James:

But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? James 2:20, KJV

 

[johnpaul87]

We are getting way off topic… and there are many other posts that deal with your issues of concern… I’m not going to ask CAF to do anything… You don’t need the code of canon law to understand the “core” beliefs of the CC… the “Catechism of the Catholic Church” does that just fine

I must say your stories continue to baffle me… did you ever really join the CC? Is there a reason you still list “Catholic” as your religion when you detest almost everything it teaches?

SD

yes SD, i tried to change my catholic status but i didnt see how to do it. its not cause i wanted to change it, but some of you here got togeather and showed me that i wasnt full flrdged catholic. so i agreed to chage it till im confirmed.

 

[johnpaul87]

First the Bible from start to finish is the plan for salvation, so yes it is involved with our salvation. Next you are leaving out that that there is no mention of God making any creatures on the earth prior to Man. he made the earth and sky the animals of the land sky and air then Man. On other man like creatures mentioned on the earth. Now later we read were there were some angles that took the daughter of man for wives and their offspring were the Nephlium which were distroyed in the flood.

hey onegod, my speech about beings on earth befor man might be backed up by scripture. the angels and so forth were there befor men. i suggested that angelic beings were here and that they had a war. i dont remember what scripture backs that up. but i can look for it.

 

[wanner47]

yes SD, i tried to change my catholic status but i didnt see how to do it. its not cause i wanted to change it, but some of you here got togeather and showed me that i wasnt full flrdged catholic. so i agreed to chage it till im confirmed.

Click here: forums.catholic-questions.org/profile.php?do=editprofile

If that doesn’t work, then go to the top of the page and click “Profile.” Once you get to the new page, go to the left-hand side and click “Edit Profile.”

Are you in RCIA?

 

[johnpaul87]

Ahhh… now you’re getting somewhere… FYI— I bet jmcrae knows quite a bit about what’s in there (just by following the Church teachings)… in fact you might be quite suprised by what many Catholics actually know here… But like I said to you before… many Catholics don’t live out the faith that their Church teaches, but does this mean that the faith that Church teaches is wrong? The reason many “Catholics” end up here is because they want to learn something about their Catholic faith or want to understand how they can live out that faith better (How I got here)… describing your view of the “average” Catholic says nothing for what the Church actually teaches or why… Do you honestly think the CC is teaching something today that they don’t believe is in the best interest of the human soul?

SD

well SD, ive been asked by many in here to go learn th ways of the Church. i had some time last nite. i went to the official vatican site. straight to the source.it would take me 40 yrs to read everything. The catholic Church started out fine, worship christ. then things started getting added to it. volumes of things.then i stumbled across a jesuit site. has anyone here heard of the Black Pope? the jesuit general.

 

[wanner47]

well SD, ive been asked by many in here to go learn th ways of the Church. i had some time last nite. i went to the official vatican site. straight to the source.it would take me 40 yrs to read everything. The catholic Church started out fine, worship christ. then things started getting added to it. volumes of things.then i stumbled across a jesuit site. has anyone here heard of the Black Pope? the jesuit general.

The Vatican’s site is tough to navigate for someone just learning about the Catholic faith.

I recommend starting here: catholic.com/library/Pillar.asp

I also highly recommend picking up a copy of Catholicism for Dummies. It’s one of the best books for new Catholics or inquiring non-Catholics I’ve ever read! It’ll help you with some of the misconceptions you seem to have, as evidenced from your remarks above.

Also, the Catechism of the Catholic Church is a good read, too. It’s long, but you can break it up in sections and read a little bit each day.

 

[johnpaul87]

The Vatican’s site is tough to navigate for someone just learning about the Catholic faith.

I recommend starting here: catholic.com/library/Pillar.asp

I also highly recommend picking up a copy of Catholicism for Dummies. It’s one of the best books for new Catholics or inquiring non-Catholics I’ve ever read! It’ll help you with some of the misconceptions you seem to have, as evidenced from your remarks above.

Also, the Catechism of the Catholic Church is a good read, too. It’s long, but you can break it up in sections and read a little bit each day.

thanks for the advise. ill look at the sites you gave . whats the deal with the Black Pope? i read a little. but it talked about what the jesuits were up to, not the Black Pope. it says the black pope isnt mentioned in catholic circles. and most jesuits are undercover. they wear civilian clothes.

 

[SD_Catholic]

thanks for the advise. ill look at the sites you gave . whats the deal with the Black Pope? i read a little. but it talked about what the jesuits were up to, not the Black Pope. it says the black pope isnt mentioned in catholic circles. and most jesuits are undercover. they wear civilian clothes.

If you keep reading anti-Catholic websites you’re only going to read what they want you to think… The term “Black Pope” is just a slang name given to the leader of the Jesuits… The Pope wears white and usually the leader of the Jesuits (who are often some type of clergy) wears black… It basically was a joke to call him the “Black Pope”… I doubt they usually dress in civilian clothes because most of them are made up of priests and other clergy.

If you read the anti-Catholic sites they’ll tell you the “Black Pope” has the real power and that the Jesuits are a secret society that is there to control governments and conquer the world… supposedly they even planned the 9-11 attacks… just about every disaster that occurs is somehow attributed to the Jesuits by some of these sites… Why read them? If you want to know what the CC really teaches then stick to their documents, you’ll be much less confused.

SD

 

[johnpaul87]

If you keep reading anti-Catholic websites you’re only going to read what they want you to think… The term “Black Pope” is just a slang name given to the leader of the Jesuits… The Pope wears white and usually the leader of the Jesuits (who are often some type of clergy) wears black… It basically was a joke to call him the “Black Pope”… I doubt they usually dress in civilian clothes because most of them are made up of priests and other clergy.

If you read the anti-Catholic sites they’ll tell you the “Black Pope” has the real power and that the Jesuits are a secret society that is there to control governments and conquer the world… supposedly they even planned the 9-11 attacks… just about every disaster that occurs is somehow attributed to the Jesuits by some of these sites… Why read them? If you want to know what the CC really teaches then stick to their documents, you’ll be much less confused.

SD

hey SD, how do i put a picture on my posts? and i dont believe for a minute that jesuits brought down the towers. george bush did it. did you se building number 7? it had nothing wrong with it. but you can see in he viedos the demolition charges going off. building 7 had enron headquarters, FBI headquarters , CIA headquarters. bush wanted to get rid of the evidence of his connction to enron and other wrongdoings