Their parents must be so proud?: Controversy about Kentucky pro-life marchers DC

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You can be as flippant as you want but the questions are pretty pertinent to the issue. You swallowed Nathan Phillips’ account of the events hook, line, and sinker with no questions asked. But Phillips apparently didn’t consider that more than his personal cameraman were filming the event, let alone doing a multi-hour livestream, and all of the film directly contradicts all of Phillips’ claims:

There is no evidence that the kids sought out and surrounded Phillips and other Indigenous marchers. There is video evidence to the contrary, that Phillips approached and got in the kids’ faces.

There is no evidence of the kids shouting racial slurs or chanting “build the wall”. There is video evidence of both the Black Hebrew Israelites and the Indigenous People’s Marchers shouting racial slurs at the kids.

There is no evidence that the smiling kid confronted, blocked, or restricted Phillips’ movement. There is video evidence that Phillips sought out this kid and got directly in his face. There is video evidence that the kid just stood there. There is video evidence that no one impeded Phillips’ movement.

All of Phillips’ claims are directly contradicted by video taken by the other harassers, the BHI group. What then, are you accusing these kids of? Being white? If all you have to hang you hat on is a few silly tomahawks by about two kids, then you are desperately grasping at straws. It’s sad to see people still pedaling this narrative.
 
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So I’m the resident naughty, liberal CAFer, and even I can’t quite determine the truth of what happened. I’m not ready to jump on either bandwagon.

The student’s testimony in its entirety is here: http://reason.com/blog/2019/01/20/covington-catholic-nathan-phillips-video

I honestly wonder if a bunch of people just misunderstood each other.

It’s all so muddled . . . . Wearing partisan MAGA hats to the March for Life, black supremacists shouting homophobic slurs and threatening another African-American, and then a Native drum chant reacting to . . . (???) It is a KEY reason why I don’t attend a lot of protests. They quickly turn into a group-think free-for-all of torch-bearing villagers demonstrating how insanity begets insanity.

The divisiveness in this nation is certainly giving the Enemy some good laughs. Just take a deep breath and pray, everybody.
 
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The boys were insulted by the black israelites, and harassed by one of the natives. Yet they are the main perpetrators, according to many people. WOW!!
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It was obviously the Black Hebrews who started the whole thing, with their profanities and their harassment. The high school students were the victims. Why aren’t the Hebrews being called out and penalized for their disgusting actions?
First these peaceful students are victimized by the Hebrews, Now Nick Sandmann says in his statement that his family and he are receiving death threats because of the lies of the media. Here’s what really happened:

 
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Another video. You can see that the smirking boy just looks lost. At 1:25 someone asks “Anyone know what’s going on here?” And at 1:35, one of the natives starts outright insulting the boys. At 2:14, the evil little smirk boy, whom many want harmed and ruined, tells one of his own to kinda calm down, So that the situation doesn’t escalate into something more. At 2:25, the boys start leaving.

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Still no retraction from the school or diocese. Some resignations over their craven letter are in order.
 
As Catholics, we should all be cracking down on Internet shaming. The online mob mentality is terrifying and contrary to our faith.

The smartest thing Sandman and Phillips can do is to go out to lunch and engage in some dialogue. Peace is possible. Even during these divisive times.
 
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blackforest said:
So I’m the resident naughty, liberal CAFer, and even I can’t quite determine the truth of what happened. I’m not ready to jump on either bandwagon.
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The only bandwagon I’m jumping on is the one that asks
  1. Where were the chaperones that the kid mentions multiple times? Why did one of them not step up when he saw several total strangers approaching his group of students? I suspect they just weren’t around.
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  1. How is the Diocese of Covington going to back off its story that its students acted badly? They had an apology out within hours of the first story breaking. If the kids really aren’t guilty then why did they apologize?
And
  1. This kid and his fam likely lawyered up because they’re afraid of him getting penalized and his college entrance chances ruined and they also might be planning to sue the school or diocese. Naturally his statement is designed to make himself and the other kids look totally innocent.
Whole thing is a mess. Lesson to me is don’t let your bus load of kids be hanging around other protestors or trying to shout them down if you are in DC. It is not going to end well for the kids. Especially if they are perceived to be “privileged.”
 
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How is the Diocese of Covington going to back off its story that its students acted badly? They had an apology out within hours of the first story breaking. If the kids really aren’t guilty then why did they apologize?
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I’m guessing somehow they didn’t take today off, over this.
 
On another note, I wonder if the boys impulse-bought those MAGA hats from a DC street vendor. Of course if one did, ten others would have to also. Why? Because they’re teenagers! :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:
 
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Why do the people point to the doicese’s apology as proof of anything? They were rash in their judgement. Did the diocese even talk to the boys before apologizing (condemning)?? And the boys were waiting for their buses. It was probably agreed, before the day of the incident, that they would do so.
 
How about if we assume nothing uncharitable either way, or assume innocence on their part, for that. The only part I think can be known to be guilty were the black protesters who were cussing out everyone with unspeakable and bigoted insults.

Teenagers, however, will be teenagers. If they tried to sing along with a Chinese song, “Ching, chong, chow,” it would might offend the Chinese people singing it. It is also unfair to judge the heart of the Native American who might have reason, as he sees it, for offense from a group of teen boys who could perceive to be mocking him and smirking at him. It is not his fault for feeling offense.

The fault does lie with those that went from his alleged offense at what he saw as insensitivity to attacking these kids, who are, just kids. Even if there response was less than adult, it was not bad by anyone’s standards, much less teen boys. It just unfolded the way it did and it is time to stop judging those two parties as to who was at fault for what. The black guys though, should not get a pass. An arrest would have been more in order, or at least a citation and dispersal.

Finally, I am surprised the adult sponsors allowed what could have been a dangerous situation to unfold like it did. They should have left when the abuse started for safety sake. Then none of this would have happened.
 
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It is also unfair to judge the heart of the Native American who might have reason, as he sees it, for offense from a group of teen boys who could perceive to be mocking him and smirking at him. It is not his fault for feeling offense.
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Maybe not but he is at fault for intruding on the boys’ space to begin with and then for lying about the physical details afterward.
 
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Finally, I am surprised the adult sponsors allowed what could have been a dangerous situation to unfold like it did. They should have left when the abuse started for safety sake. Then none of this would have happened.
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Yeah. Maybe they could have just walked back to Kentucky.
 
Some say that Philipps was trying to spread peace because he sensed discord between the black Isrealites and the Covington boys. But how is stepping into a group of boys and going up to one spreading peace? Why would I bang a drum and chant into a boy’s face for several minutes to spread peace? And why did one of the Natives start screaming at the boys because of their white skin? SO peaceful.
 
I am not judging Nathan Phillips’ here. Maybe he was trying to spread peace… But his method was peculiar
 
I hear one of those Catholic school boys had a little peach fuzz moustache going. That changes everything. Clearly those boys acted as adults, and must be tried and sentenced as adults!
 
Why the bald faced lies about the boy “blocking his path” or his “retreat?”
 
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