There’s No Gay Gene, Says Scientists

[Maso]

Does this mean that homosexuality can be or will be some day cultivated by Social Engineers working for the government in our hospitals by clandestinly exposing babies to some sort of hormone concoction as a device to control population satistics…?

 

[EmperorNapoleon]

Does this mean that homosexuality can be or will be some day cultivated by Social Engineers working for the government in our hospitals by clandestinly exposing babies to some sort of hormone concoction as a device to control population satistics…?

As ludicrous as it is, the Air Force actually requested $7 million in funding in the early 90s to develop a chemical weapon which can only be described as a “gay bomb.” They basically wanted to fill a shell with aphrodisiacs and drop it behind enemy lines to, as they hypothesized, turn enemy soldiers gay and cause their units to descend into a gay orgy.

 

[livingwordunity]

As ludicrous as it is, the Air Force actually requested $7 million in funding in the early 90s to develop a chemical weapon which can only be described as a “gay bomb.” They basically wanted to fill a shell with aphrodisiacs and drop it behind enemy lines to, as they hypothesized, turn enemy soldiers gay and cause their units to descend into a gay orgy.

And I will note that it was the Democrats who controlled both the House and Senate of Congress in the early 1990’s with them becoming a super majority when Bill Clinton got elected to the presidency in 1992. I’m not surprised that they were trying to make people “gay” back then since they are still trying to do it today, except that today they are trying to do it to everyone, including Americans, by social engineering. Just today, they were promoting so-called “same-sex marriage” on the Price is Right with a “gay” couple in military uniform.

 

[Maso]

Well… the Chineese attempt to control population statistics with a one baby limit per woman enforced by an abortion penelty, but that won’t work for the World Socialists here in America, so my guess is that the clandestine hospital gay hormone exposure scenerio will be their modus operandi here in a few years.

You can’t put that idea past them. They don’t think there’s a God watching them, do they…?

 

[Robert_Bay]

blog, opinion

 

[Maso]

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Wow, this is amazing!
So this article, then, is confirming that people’s homosexual orientation can be or is biological!

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No…!!! it is not saying that. It is saying that homosexuality is cultivated environmrntally… That’s not what homosexual advocates want you to believe, because they need you to believe that they can’t help it to justify their somewhat formative political position.

 

[NeedsMercy]

No…!!! it is not saying that. It is saying that homosexuality is cultivated environmrntally… That’s not what homosexual advocates want you to believe, because they need you to believe that they can’t help it to justify their somewhat formative political position.

Uhh, Maso, you might want to re-think that. While it is believed that sexual orientation is not “genetic”–not linked to any specific gene–this study is showing that orientation is linked to “epi-genes” --bits of information that tag along with DNA. So, while it may not be “genetic”, there is still a physiological component to homosexual orientation. DaddyGirl, as far as my puny brain can tell, is correct.

 

[_Abyssinia]

I am curious as to why there are twins where one appears to be homosexual and the other is heterosexual. If homosexuality is purely biologically / genetically rooted, how that can be, when twins have identical genes?

 

[_Abyssinia]

I am curious as to why there are twins where one appears to be homosexual and the other is heterosexual. If homosexuality is purely biologically / genetically rooted, how that can be, when twins have identical genes?

 

[_Abyssinia]

I am curious as to why there are twins where one appears to be homosexual and the other is heterosexual. If homosexuality is purely biologically / genetically rooted, how that can be, when twins have identical genes?

 

[_Abyssinia]

I am curious as to why there are twins where one appears to be homosexual and the other is heterosexual. If homosexuality is purely biologically / genetically rooted, how that can be, when twins have identical genes?

 

[_Abyssinia]

I am curious as to why there are twins where one appears to be homosexual and the other is heterosexual. If homosexuality is purely biologically / genetically rooted, how that can be, when twins have identical genes?

 

[_Abyssinia]

I am curious as to why there are twins where one appears to be homosexual and the other is heterosexual. If homosexuality is purely biologically / genetically rooted, how that can be, when twins have identical genes?

 

[_Abyssinia]

I am curious as to why there are twins where one appears to be homosexual and the other is heterosexual. If homosexuality is purely biologically / genetically rooted, how that can be, when twins have identical genes?

 

[_Abyssinia]

I am curious as to why there are twins where one appears to be homosexual and the other is heterosexual. If homosexuality is purely biologically / genetically rooted, how that can be, when twins have identical genes?

 

[Megan7]

sourcefednews.com/theres-no-gay-gene-says-scientists/

There’s a link to the research article as well.

Thanks for the link. God bless.

 

[NeedsMercy]

I am curious as to why there are twins where one appears to be homosexual and the other is heterosexual. If homosexuality is purely biologically / genetically rooted, how that can be, when twins have identical genes?

No, you misunderstand. It is not “genetically” rooted i.e. we cannot say that homosexual orientation is controlled by one particular gene or group of genes, like eye color, or the colors of pea plant flowers. It is, however, “epi-genetic”. This means that there is information being carried along with the DNA (extra-chromosomally) that has an effect on orientation. The study does not say that orientation is “purely” this or that. Much more work needs to be done.

 

[Patavium]

huh? Most are confused.

The study is just merely a theory explaining homosexuality.

refer to mygenes.co.nz/epigenetics.htm

Is epigenetics a critical factor in homosexuality?

N.E.Whitehead, Ph.D

December 2012

A paper by epigenetic researchers (Rice, W.R., Friberg, U. Gavrilets, 2012) has been generally reported as being a new explanation of homosexuality. My conclusion, in accordance with that of the authors, is that this is a theory only. There have been numerous attempts within at least 13 different research fields to show a strong biological basis to homosexuality and all have failed. This new field – epigenetics – will probably join them.
The authors make a good case that epigenetics should be included in the mix of factors contributing to homosexuality. I agree, but believe it will prove to be a minor contributor only, along with many other minor contributors.

Epigenetics is control of genetic expression by factors other than the genes. These factors may be pre-natal or post-natal (occurring at any time of life), often coming from the exterior environment, both biological and social. Epigenetic marks (changes in protein configurations around the DNA) can also be passed on to descendants – but only to some extent.

 

[Patavium]

Let me add other hard facts…

The paper really discusses sexually dimorphic genitalia, not homosexuality

Their theory, reflected in the title of their paper, Homosexuality as a consequence of epigenetically canalized sexual development, is that prenatal epigenetics causes a “canalization” (chanelling) to heterosexuality and also to homosexuality. This is a misleading title for the paper because it predominantly discusses what they believe to be a strong epigenetic influence on sexual differentiation in the genitalia of the two sexes. From this basis they theorise epigenetics must also have a predominant role in homosexuality.

The work relies on the generally accepted idea that prenatal testosterone is critical in sex-development, and the authors believe that epigenetics play an important role in reinforcing the sexual differentiation caused by testosterone., e.g., they make the statement, “ …sexual dimorphism strongly influenced by androgen exposure – both genitalia and brain”. However they do not seem to have encountered the important 2012 paper (Lombardo et al. 2012) in which testosterone is shown to have only a weak influence on sexual dimorphism in the brain (15-20%; Whitehead submitted 2012), see the posting on this site for a review).

Epigenetics and twin studies

The arguments for a strong role for epigenetics in same-sex attraction presented in the paper, are both concerned with twin studies. Firstly, they argue that there can be many epigenetically influenced differences in identical twins e.g. they find epigenetic effects on 600 genes that can create a difference of 200% between 2 identical twins, e.g., one twin might have twice as much of a particular protein as the other. But 600 genes out of a total of about 23,000 genes is only about 2.6%, not a large effect for something they claim has a dominant role in sexual differentiation. This small fraction is consonant with other work already known (Fraga et al., 2005)), unless the authors want to later make a special argument that these 600 genes are overwhelmingly critical in gender differences. So this is not a strong argument.

Secondly, they rightly point out that “estimates of proband concordance [basically the genetic influence] …are surprisingly low in both sexes” (derived from 7-8 twin studies of homosexuality ), but that estimates of unshared environmental influence are consistently high in the studies (my calculation of the average being 63% (Whitehead, 2011)). They argue that epigenetic effects belong in the unshared environment category. This category normally includes predominantly random social factors and some measurement problems but could include epigenetics. The authors, however, seem to want to say that most of the unshared environmental influences are epigenetic effects. And by this they mean pre-natal. But this is speculation and obviously awaits clearer studies.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Which twins are you speaking of?
Do you have an example we can look up?
Or do you know a pair of twins where one is gay and one is not?

Identical twins are not exactly alike, by the way. I have two sets in my family and they are very different in many, many biological ways.

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But are they different genetically?

Gay Is Not All in the Genes