There Is No Catholic Case For Biden

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WA_Catholic said:
Do you mind explaining that.
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Yes, I do. That is not the topic, nor did I address “groups”.
Victoria33 said:
Time to rid ourselves of this sanctimony.
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It is time to understand the meaning of the word “opinion.” You vote on based on your conscience, and I will vote on mine. This particular thread title completely misses what the Catholic Church teaches in regards to voting. Voting is based on conscience, the individual, not on the conscience of the loudest and most insulting voice.

There is a case for Biden, and for Trump. These have been laid out. Agree or disagree, but saying they do not exist is a misunderstanding of the Church’s teaching on voting. Or as I said earlier,

I do not hold mine opinions as some standard of absolute truth, as I lack the deity to do so.
 
Corporate Interests are Planned Parenthood? Thus, your cartoon is pretty silly. And I’m sure I can find a cartoon for it too. Some may not be presentable.
 
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WA_Catholic said:
What an absolutely stupid cartoon lol.
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As one of our wise modern philosophers put it, “Stupid is as stupid does.”

I liked the cartoon. I get it, though find it simplistic and exaggerative, as it is a cartoon. But it is not stupid. It is opinion, a concept that has become increasingly foreign to the American today.
 
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I did not say abortions will STOP, but that they would DECLINE. Is that not a desirable outcome?

No woman in modern history has ever gone to prison for obtaining an abortion.

Rich people get away with murder (just look at OJ Simpson). Does that mean we should decriminalize murder?
 
Overturning Roe isn’t that big of a deal, it means states would control it, Alabama, Alaska, etc. etc.
 
ramartensjr said:
I did not say abortions will STOP, but that they would DECLINE. Is that not a desirable outcome?
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I think it good sometimes to think what our goal or goals are, and how they should be prioritized. Banning abortion is a laudable goal, or to the extent it is limited it is a good thing. It speaks of our values as a nations (if we do it through majority rule). Yet is is more important than reducing abortions? I do not know. In any case, they are seldom in conflict. As a rule, both can be pursued at once.
 
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I note that WA_Catholic has already made a number of troll-type inappropriate posts in at least two other threads. It might be prudent to not respond to additional such inappropriate posts here.
 
Yeah exactly. Not sure why so many people on here are so intent on making out to be some bad person.
 
ramartensjr said:
I did not say abortions will STOP, but that they would DECLINE. Is that not a desirable outcome?
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They have already been declining, for decades, without the need for banning the procedure entirely and without putting women into incredibly difficult or even dangerous situations in trying to circumvent a ban.
ramartensjr said:
No woman in modern history has ever gone to prison for obtaining an abortion.
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In this country? There have in fact been women imprisoned for doing things while pregnant, like taking drugs, that endangered the fetus or even resulted in its death. President Trump stated he wanted to see “some punishment” for women who obtained an abortion. And increasingly, as I read multiple conservative blogs and media sites, it is clear that there is a very strong sentiment amongst the pro-life right that, once abortion is illegal, both doctors and women, should be criminalized for it.
ramartensjr said:
Rich people get away with murder (just look at OJ Simpson). Does that mean we should decriminalize murder?
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One, abortion is not murder, because it is not recognized as a citizen by law, nor is it recognized as having the same rights to life as a born human. Murder is a legal term.

Two, the fact you are comparing abortion to murder in terms of crimilization is proof positive that you are one of the aforementioned persons who would see women imprisoned for it if it was banned.

Three, women are currently imprisoned in other countries where abortion is banned, such as Colombia. So, there is definitely precedent for it in modern times.
 
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You know, slaves were not recognised as persons by law. Therefore, people owned them.

You might want to rethink your ‘not recognised by law’ idea. Otherwise you really can’t blame Nazi Germany for following ITS laws, you can’t really blame Muslims for following Sharia, honour killings, etc.
 
I do note when people have joined during this campaign season. There is a difference. In any case, if the point is to serve as some sort of social media influencer, I am not worried. No one ever swayed anyone by ignoring the other side. But the “lies” thing! That was on a whole new level of irony. Anyone who has ever even listened a little here knows that is one of the strongest arguments against voting for the President.

I do not hold mine opinions as some standard of absolute truth, as I lack the deity to do so.
 
sloancaprice said:
Do you think there is a realistic chance of those abortions going to zero if a pro-life politician is elected?
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Certainly a better chance than if pro abortion politicians are elected.
QContinuum said:
Since in your ideal world, an entire class of humans, women, would be forced, under the gun of state law, to house, feed, and undergo physical assaults for over 9 months, without any sort of paid renumeration from the other party, you are effectively arguing for the enslavement of one human to another.
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That is a horrible thing to say. A baby in a mother’s womb had absolutely no say in being there. It is not an attack on a mother’s body. If you choose to have sex outside of marriage then a woman should also take the responsibility if she becomes pregnant.
QContinuum said:
I haven’t heard anyone ever demand that the other half of fetus’ DNA be required by law, to pay half of everything the baby requires before it’s even born.
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That doesn’t even make sense. The baby is innocent. He is there because of a decision the mother made when she entered into relations with a man.
QContinuum said:
If abortion is banned, my advice to young women everywhere who don’t want to be forced to endure pregnancy unwillingly, is to have their uterus cut out. And leave it on the steps of a pro-life org. If there’s no plug, then there’s no chance of having another human plugged into you at the cost of your own bodily resources.
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This is disgusting and vile.

My advice to women who do not want to be pregnant with a child is not to engage in relations with someone until you are married, as God has planned.

My advice to women who have been deceived and had an abortion is to turn to God in repentance, He is loving and His mercy is always ready to be given and then start a new life in obedience to our loving God and you will be blessed.

That said, your comment has been flagged for it’s offensiveness to God and human life but …

in the meantime, I hope people realize that this comment is an example of what is driving the abortion industry and being promoted by certain politicians who are running for office.

We don’t just vote for our lives but as Christians we need to vote for the lives of others, especially the most innocent and helpless.
 
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QContinuum said:
They have already been declining, for decades, without the need for banning the procedure entirely and without putting women into incredibly difficult or even dangerous situations in trying to circumvent a ban.
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Not necessarily, the movement to abort from surgical to pharmaceutical masks the numbers.
Why would we not want to make murder - the direct killing of an innocent human being – difficult?
QContinuum said:
it is clear that there is a very strong sentiment amongst the pro-life right that, once abortion is illegal, both doctors and women, should be criminalized for it.
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Nonsense. Show the studies that demonstrate what is merely your unfounded opinion. Look up Project Rachel and similar ministries aimed at helping those who have been involved in an abortion.
QContinuum said:
Murder is a legal term.
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No, “murder” is a moral term – a murder is the direct killing of an innocent human being.
 
The lies thing was in reference to the cartoon. Do you believe the cartoon is truthful?
 
This may be the most disgusting thing I have read on this forum. Wow.
 
WA_Catholic said:
Do you believe the cartoon is truthful?
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I believe it to be opinion. Therefore, truth and falsehood do not apply. I believe there to be some truth in it, but only to the extent that the GOP is represented by Donald Trump, which I do not believe is as much as this cartoonist thinks. I do not believe it represents the GOP majority, or at least what used to be the majority of the GOP. But the point is, it is just an opinion.

We had one poster today literally speak for God! There is a greater need for humility this election year. The Lord is God. He is the One true God. We are not him.

I do not hold mine opinions as some standard of absolute truth, as I lack the deity to do so.
 
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WA_Catholic said:
This may be the most disgusting thing I have read on this forum. Wow.
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Personal attack, and again, not a counter argument. I find slavery to be personally disgusting. Trying to legislate a form of it into law against women is beyond the pale. And a reason why religious belief should remain separate from state law.
 
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