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Addiction is a grevious affliction. More than likely, he is torn apart from within for what he has done. You haven’t really commented on his faith, but if he is Catholic (or at least God-fearing), I’m sure that faith-based therapy can help him.

Although I am no expert in matters as grave as these, I offer for your consideration the following suggestions:

  1. *] He should stay at home, although if you need to separate living quarters in the house, that may due. He is still a loving father to your kids.
    *] Change starts with him: In order for him to change, he must first admit, openly, that he has done evil, that he has a problem even at present, and that he needs to change.
 
**Respect **is earned. Just because I am married to someone, does not mean he automatically deserves respect !! I have it when I marry him, but through his actions, he may lose it along the way. Sparkle should respect this man?? He has shown GRAVE disrespect to her and his children as well as the girl he wrote to. Just because he is not a physical abuser (yet) does not mean he does not abuse. Mental and verbal abuse can cause deeper scars than a slap in the face.

Do you believe that her children will respect a mom who “stayed” with dad even though he was disrectful of her, them and those he disrespected with his writing? Anyone who can do what this man did/is doing, is a danger. This might just be just the tip of the iceberg.

In other words, a"marytr" who does nothing, takes abuse, sits and whines, does not deserve respect either.

Someone said to fill the house with statues. ???
This man who is non-religious would only have “fun” with that, disrespecting the person the image reflects. Besides, if the neighbors see her running around filling the house with statues and lighting candles she might be the one “in question”.

Sparkle, leave, get counseling, pray, take care of your children, then IF and when he does what is necessary to deserve his family back and you know he is truly “WELL”,
go back and live a happy, loving, respectfully beautful marriage. If this “dream” does not come true, (and it very well may not) then get on with life with a smile on your face and a prayer in your heart for him.

AMEN !

Love and peace
 
There is much good advice on this thread for you. I wouldn’t keep going to that therapist. I don’t think being treated the two of you together is a good idea until your husband has it more together anyway.

Look, someone has to say it…he probably won’t ever get completely better and will always be an addict of some sort. Also, of course you feel like your husband has been unfaithful to you or betrayed you, with all that pornography!

I wish you the best. You are on a very hard road, may God strengthen you!
 
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3. Remove all occasions of sin:** If your husband’s vice involves pornography, especially of the online kind, then you must get rid of the computer, or at least get rid of the internet access. If internet access is indespensible, then install one of those porn filters (e.g., www.cybersitter.com, www.netnanny.com, www.cyberpatrol.com). [A review of their comparative effectiveness is available at http://internet-filter-review.toptenreviews.com/”]http://internet-filter-review.toptenreviews.com/.] Install and configure it yourself, and don’t tell him the password to change its settings. Those programs work well for web browsers, but you should uninstall other programs such as news readers that allow access to pornographic newsgrous. You can also install an Accountability Program (www.xxxChurch.com) – Every time a questionable internet site is visited, the program saves its address. Every week or so, it would e-mail you with the list of these questionable sites so you know what he’s been up to.

The screening should extend to every potential stimulus. For example, if going out to the movies, check the review of the movie to see if it involves questionable material. You can visit www.FilmRatings.com or the US Conference of Catholic Bishops’ own www.usccb.org/movies for reviews of movies and television programs.
 
Hi Mom of 5 and Pug:

You guys are so awesome! Thx for your replies!

My initial question was “how do I help a husband with depression”?

How do I even think of it now? I now feel wow–maybe I should not have stayed with such a creep for the past 5 years. Could I have been truly happy if I did leave along with my children? Or would it have been even more of a hardship? Hummmmmm

I’m not trying to be a martyr.

But, look back in history. There were many women who had unfaithful husbands. Even physically unfaithful, mistresses. This is not my case. But what if it were? Does it mean you just drop 20 years of marriage and a life and just flee, thinking greener grass is awaiting on the other side? Being another broken family, like every other one out there today? Another divorce statistic? I don’t think that’s what I want to do. If perhaps circumstances were different in some respect, there would have been no other option. But this is not the case. Just need help in handling him, and his depression, and concretely how to NOT enable him, but how to help.
 
I tried hiding the beer bottles, it didn’t work and it won’t work for Sparkle to do the work for her husband. She will make herself crazy running around making sure that there is nothing around to tempt him??? He must take responsible for his own actions and grow up…God will judge his soul and hers individually. She is not responsible for his sin!~!!!

Love and peace
 
Mom of 5:
I tried hiding the beer bottles, it didn’t work and it won’t work for Sparkle to do the work for her husband. She will make herself crazy running around making sure that there is nothing around to tempt him??? He must take responsible for his own actions and grow up…God will judge his soul and hers individually. She is not responsible for his sin!~!!!

Love and peace
I don’t really see any harm in a wife throwing away the Victoria’s Secret catalogues when you know your husband might have a problem with this. Or blocking the adult stations on the TV. Guess I consider this doing him a favor. Why have a stumbling block right in front of someone’s nose? But I see what you’re saying though. Wherever we go in public, there always will be a temptation. I can help eliminate it in my home however. Don’t ya think? I do.

Thx for your above-stated reply!!!
 
Addiction is a grevious affliction. More than likely, he is torn apart from within for what he has done. Although I am no expert in matters as grave as these, I offer for your consideration the following suggestions:

He should stay at home, although if you need to separate living quarters in the house, that may due. He is still a loving father to your kids.
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Change starts with him:** In order for him to change, he must first admit, openly, that he has done evil, that he has a problem even at present, and that he needs to change.
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Remove all occasions of sin:** If your husband’s vice involves pornography, especially of the online kind, then you must get rid of the computer, or at least get rid of the internet access. If internet access is indespensible, then install one of those porn filters (e.g., www.cybersitter.com, www.netnanny.com). [A review of their comparative effectiveness is available at http://internet-filter-review.toptenreviews.com/”]http://internet-filter-review.toptenreviews.com/.] Install it yourself and don’t tell him the password to change its settings. You can also install an Accountability Program (www.xxxChurch.com) – Every time a questionable internet site is visited, the program saves its address and later e-mails you with the list of these questionable sites so you know what he’s been up to.

The screening should extend to every potential stimulus. For example, if going out to the movies, check the review of the movie to see if it involves questionable material. Check out www.FilmRatings.com or the US Conference of Catholic Bishops’ own www.usccb.org/movies for reviews of movies and television programs.**

Change his work environment: Someone who has pedophilic thoughts, even if not acted upon, would do well to seek work that is apart from children. Perhaps he should only work on the administrative side of things. This is obviously easier said than done, but it is worth serious consideration.

**Get him involved in therapy: Addiction to sex is a true disease just like alcoholism or drug addiction. To overcome this is very trying for everyone involved, as you well know… and it cannot be done alone. A marriage counselor may help with the symptoms (i.e., how his addiction has hurt your marriage), but it won’t effect a cure since it doesn’t target the root of the problem – namely, his addiction, per se. He needs several aspects of therapy:
  • Behavioral modification with a psychiatrist.
  • Faith-based guidance from a priest willing to help him through the long, arduous trial that lies ahead.
  • Group-based support (like Alcoholics Anonymous) – 12-step programs are very, very successful in helping the willing participant stay away from temptation.
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     Get involved with groups that combat  porn addictions.  Check out [www.dads.org](http://www.dads.org/) (Christian Fatherhood by St. Joseph's Covenant Keepers). They have a lot of resources for dads suffering with pornography addictions: [dads.org/strugglewithporn.asp](http://www.dads.org/strugglewithporn.asp)
The Sacraments & prayer: If your husband is feeling guilty and worthless, he won’t have the emotional reserve to try for change. Frequent Confession and Reconciliation can help him, little by little, to feel that there is Hope. Penitence, through prayer, fasting or good works, may make him feel like he’s erasing some of the stain of sin, through God’s good grace. And through this prayer, he may feel closer to God; and eventually, may feel that God is lending a helping hand, helping him to carry his own cross as he struggles to overcome his addictions. He should attend Mass frequently – daily – and, once he has gone to Confession, should partake of the Eucharist regularly. The more he makes this a ‘habit’, the more difficult it will be to sin.
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  • Others need to change, too: If you consider him ‘scum’ and others consider him ‘scum,’ then try as you might to pray for him to get better, you cannot. No doubt it is difficult for you and those around him, but it is equally difficult for him. Try to understand this as a disease, and seek to truly forgive him – not just for his actions, but also for the extreme pain that it has caused you and your children, and for the harm that it has done to your marriage.

    You need support, too: This isn’t easy for you, or for the kids. Don’t hide this completely. Instead, realize you have friends and family who love you, and allow them to help in whatever ways they can, whether it be as an outlet to vent, or a group to recite the Rosary for him and other addicts, or as a group to help with alternate activities such as weekend trips to the lake or picnics in the park.
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    Alternate/Substitute activities:** Okay, so all therapy and group stuff will require a lot of time. But soon enough, you will get into a new routine. Idle hands beget the devil’s work, as they say. Therefore, find alternate activities that will give him new focus and serve as an outlet for the energy that would’ve been expended in seeking out pornography. He could start a new exercise program, take up martial arts (perhaps with the whole family!), organize family camping weekends, or road trips, or play soccer with the kids. There are myriad possibilities. But the trick is to do things that are fun or challenging, and to do them on a regular schedule so that it is forced to become a new (good) habit that may replace the old.

    I don’t know how feasible these suggestions may be in your particular situation. I suggest starting with the three most important things: Get him to admit that he has a problem and wants to change; Get others involved; and seek healing through the Sacraments of the Church. Check out www.dads.org/strugglewithporn.asp for more tips.

    May God bring you the patience and fortitude to weather this storm, and may he help your husband to rediscover his love for you and for his kids – keeping his eyes fixed on you and them may give him the courage to change.

    Much love.
    Alessandro.

    God, grant me serenity to accept the things that cannot change; the courage to change the things that must change; and wisdom to distinguish the one from the other.
 
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sparkle:
… A suggestive letter to a student, an addiction to porn, since marriage. No wonder I’m a complete nervous wreck. Please friends. My health has suffered, and I have forgiven him for this indescretion. As for most men caught in the web of porn., it leads to worse,…
… Hubby has never been PHYSICALLY unfaithful. Just this, and his porn addiction for the past 16 years. No wonder I do not respect him, my love is waning for him as well.

Please friends. I need some practical advice here. Our marriage therapist has hardly brought up this issue. But is has not been over for me yet, all the hurt, etc.,

Sorry for this shocker. I need your wise (name removed by moderator)ut friends.

Luv,
My dear, physical or not, he indeed HAS BEEN UNFAITHFUL. To you, to the kids and to your marriage. He has a problem, and don’t delude yourself into thinking he will change. He hasn’t so far. And think of the kids…he’s hurting them more than you know or WANT to know. Distance yourself and the kids from him to allow yourself some “thinking time” if for no other reason.
As far as divorce, he, by biblical definition, has committed adultery. Think about it…what he has done and will continue as long as YOU LET HIM.
~ Kathy ~
 
alessandro said:
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Others need to change, too: If you consider him ‘scum’ and others consider him ‘scum,’ then try as you might to pray for him to get better, you cannot. No doubt it is difficult for you and those around him, but it is equally difficult for him. Try to understand this as a disease, and seek to truly forgive him – not just for his actions, but also for the extreme pain that it has caused you and your children, and for the harm that it has done to your marriage.

You need support, too: This isn’t easy for you, or for the kids. Don’t hide this completely. Instead, realize you have friends and family who love you, and allow them to help in whatever ways they can, whether it be as an outlet to vent, or a group to recite the Rosary for him and other addicts, or as a group to help with alternate activities such as weekend trips to the lake or picnics in the park.

Alternate/Substitute activities: Okay, so all therapy and group stuff will require a lot of time. But soon enough, you will get into a new routine. Idle hands beget the devil’s work, as they say. Therefore, find alternate activities that will give him new focus and serve as an outlet for the energy that would’ve been expended in seeking out pornography. He could start a new exercise program, take up martial arts (perhaps with the whole family!), organize family camping weekends, or road trips, or play soccer with the kids. There are myriad possibilities. But the trick is to do things that are fun or challenging, and to do them on a regular schedule so that it is forced to become a new (good) habit that may replace the old.
I don’t know how feasible these suggestions may be in your particular situation. I suggest starting with the three most important things: Get him to admit that he has a problem and wants to change; Get others involved; and seek healing through the Sacraments of the Church. Check out www.dads.org/strugglewithporn.asp for more tips.

May God bring you the patience and fortitude to weather this storm, and may he help your husband to rediscover his love for you and for his kids – keeping his eyes fixed on you and them may give him the courage to change.

Much love.
Alessandro.

God, grant me serenity to accept the things that cannot change; the courage to change the things that must change; and wisdom to distinguish the one from the other.

WOW --Allesandro. You sure took alot of time to respond, and for that I sure appreciate. I’m going to send him this website. Great!

Thanks for all the helpful info here! Yes it is a problem. And I know, not a good idea to go places where’s there’s temptation for him. This makes me sick to even have to admit this, but it’s the truth. Since this incident, he had a trial, and was put on probation for 5 years. This has severely hindered his job search, as 2 potential employers found out about such. Bummer. I know this must be hard for his self-esteem, but not nearly as hard as it has been for me, his wife. The kids do not know. Thankfully.

Thank you for your concern. Man, I’m so riled up over this, phewww need to get a glass of wine, and go for a swim~~~~~ I have kept all of this inside for so long, as I was just too ashamed to tell anyone, personally.

I love the saying you quote at the end. The serenity prayer. “God grant me the serenity”…Heard Fr. Gropschel say this on his show recently, and I really, for the first time ever, really contemplated this prayer. Thx for the reminder of it again.
 
What happens if the kids get into his porn???!!! I can’t tell you what my son said for weeks after he found one of his dad’s or his dad’s friends porn magazine. And that was only one magazine, one time! (If you really want to know, PM me, but trust me, it will make you sick)

You can’t enable your husband or be his babysitter, but maybe installing porn blockers is a good idea—if only to protect your children!
 
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Katie1723:
Unless your kids are babies…they know.
~ Kathy ~
OK–this is my last response. Then have to go…phewww.

Thx Katie. Hummmmm maybe they do have a feeling something is wrong. I know they have said “Dad’s such a loser”…when’s he gonna get a job"? “why did his job end AGAIN”??..“Dad’s becoming a hobo”…never in front of him though. I always try to only say something positive, even though alot of times, I’m thinking inside --“yes, I know”…uh uh…all the while trying to be agreeable, and positive. One time however, my teen son did find a porn magazine underneath his steering wheel whence taking him to school. That’s a fine how do you do!!! We dealt with that one rather fast. That is what instigated me calling immediately a minister and a counselor. !!! If kids have to have THIS–then it’s a real problem. (Before I became Catholic–about 2 years ago now). So, yes, it has to be nipped now. Nothing sense then. Have gone to see this creepy closet-gay counselor now about 6 times. Think he’s got the hots for hubby. Ycch. Everywhere we go, women and men stare at him. I’d rather have a fat, bald, Godly man. Sorry~~~~ it’s the truth.
 
Momofone:
What happens if the kids get into his porn???!!! I can’t tell you what my son said for weeks after he found one of his dad’s or his dad’s friends porn magazine. And that was only one magazine, one time! (If you really want to know, PM me, but trust me, it will make you sick)

You can’t enable your husband or be his babysitter, but maybe installing porn blockers is a good idea—if only to protect your children!
OK how do I install it? Sounds like a good idea. What do I do? Does anybody know that website to see what has been viewed on your computer. Did it once. But forgot the site.
 
Sparkle–just a thought. I don’t know if it would help, but maybe try exceptionalmarriages.com. This is from a wonderful Catholic therapist named Greg Popchak(I can speak to how wonderful he is becasue I went to school with him:thumbsup: —and he is very in line with Catholic teachings). He also does phone counseling, too!

My heart is breaking for you.

www.exceptionalmarriages.com
 
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sparkle:
OK how do I install it?
For porn filters, go to the web sites I listed before, such as www.netnanny.com, or www.cyberpatrol.com. You have to pay for these products, but they work well. Once downloaded (or you can purchase this in a computer store, too, if you prefer a CD-ROM), execute the installation file, and it will guide you toward the steps required for installation and configuration.
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sparkle:
Does anybody know that website to see what has been viewed on your computer. Did it once. But forgot the site.
To see what has been viewed on your computer, you don’t actually go to a site, but you just look in the temporary internet cache folder for your web browser.

To look at the SITES that were accessed:
In Internet Explorer, press CTRL-H, or choose View, then Explorer Bar, then History. You can browse through the different days and sites that are still stored on your computer. You may need to be connected to the Internet at this time for the sites to load.

To look at the ***FILES ***stored on your computer:
If you have Internet Explorer, click on the Tools menu item, then Internet Options, then under the section entitled “Temporary Internet Files” click the button called Settings and then View Files. A directory will open – something like C:\Documents and Settings\YourUserName\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files – with a list of all the files still stored on the computer. Turn on the detailed view (choose the View menu-item, then Details) if not already enabled, so you can see which items are images, or which web sites they came from.

If you find things you don’t like, you can delete these files from within that window, or just delete everything from within Internet Explorer: Choose Tools and Internet Options, then click on Delete Files in the Temporary Internet Files section.
 
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buffalo:
If your husband was physically ill would you stay with him? Being addicted is a problem that will need your love and support.

pornnomore.com/

and here

dads.org/
No one is suggesting she divorce her husband.
Or that she give up on the marriage.
But not even the Church says you have to physically reside under the same roof while each party works out there issues.

If he were physically ill he’d probably have a long stay in a medical facility - time for him to heal, time for her to heal and time for both to take a fresh look at what each means to the other.

Make no mistake that the addiction this man suffers requires serious attention and the work has to come from him. She cannot help him heal. She can support him from a distance. She can promise him she and the children will continue to pray for him, will miss him, and look forward to his return as soon as he has his issues under control.

But for the sake of her children and herself, he has to go somewhere else to get treatment…whether it be his parents’, a friend’s, or a mental facility…She can schedule regular days to meet with him to offer her physical/emotional support and to let the kids visit so he continues to have something to fight for.
 
Black Jaque:
Well yeah, duh! But it doesn’t mean you start packing bags right away.

Good grief! Breaking up a marriage is an even greater psychological risk.

I’m not saying that separation isn’t a last resort possibility. But since this has just come to light to us, why is it one of the first suggestions we make? Yes it’s been going on for many years, but how long has Sparkle been trying to do something about it? And has Sparkle exhausted all her possibilities?
Sparkle has been holding down the fort for 17 years…the past 5 of which have been extremely difficult and during which he has not made any effort to face his demons.

This is not Sparkle’s problem to fix, it’s his.
She has kept up a brave facade for the sake of the children and it it physically wearing her down to the point she is becoming ill. Who will take care of the children if her body succumbs to the stress? Certainly not him.
She will be doing something about it when she physically removes herself from being his enabler.
Sparkle has already stated they been to marriage counseling and that she’s spoken to the priest (if I recall correctly)…
she has not been sitting idly by.
 
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