This US summer is 'what global warming looks like'

[irishpatrick]

But there are those who claimed 1936 was the hottest recorded temp.

I provided the link to show that wasn’t the case.

Jim

*The National Climatic Data Center announced Thursday what most Americans had been feeling all summer: It’s been a scorcher across the country, the second-hottest since 1895.

But not by much. The warmest national average for June, July and August was 74.6 in 1936. This summer’s average was 74.5.

The temperature average has to be considered in context. Some regions experienced unseasonably cool weather, and California and New Jersey had their wettest summers ever.*

latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace/2011/09/second-hottest-summer-record-drought.html

That was reported by the National Climate Data Center–so, who is correct?

Either way we have had many really hot summers, and many of them came long before 2012! So, explain how in 1895 we had such a hot summer without cars and factories polluting the air, and with a world population about 25% of today’s total?

I would be willing to guess that if we had data about solar activity during all those hot summers, we’d find a simple correlation to sun activity with the hotter summers. The real engine of the earth’s weather are the oceans, with the sun imputing the real change in those enormous water bodies–there is nothing we can do about the sun or the oceans, no matter how much we spend.

Now, before you feel compelled to post data from another site, can we at least agree that there have been many really hot summers, and that a tenth of a degree difference between now and 1895 is a statistically and scientifically unimportant number? One would think that if manmade global warming caused our current hot summer, that we would see a sharp difference between temps today, versus those of 100 years ago–but in truth, we see no real difference at all between the really hot years of the 1930s, 1895, and now.

 

[Robertanthony]

*The National Climatic Data Center announced Thursday what most Americans had been feeling all summer: It’s been a scorcher across the country, the second-hottest since 1895.

But not by much. The warmest national average for June, July and August was 74.6 in 1936*. This summer’s average was 74.5.

The temperature average has to be considered in context. Some regions experienced unseasonably cool weather, and California and New Jersey had their wettest summers ever.

latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace/2011/09/second-hottest-summer-record-drought.html

That was reported by the National Climate Data Center–so, who is correct?

Either way we have had many really hot summers, and many of them came long before 2012! So, explain how in 1895 we had such a hot summer with cars and factories polluting the air? I would be willing to guess that if we had data about solar activity during all those hot summers, we’d find a simple correlation to sun activity with the hotter summers.

Now, before you feel compelled to post data from another site, can we at least agree that there have been many really hot summers, and that a tenth of degree difference between now and 1895 is a mere statistically and scientifically unimportant number? One would think that if global warming caused our current hot summer, that we would see a sharp difference between temps today, versus those of 100 years ago–but in truth we see no real difference at all between the really hot years of the 1930s, 1895, and now.

Long before the industrial revolution, I’m sure there had been many cycles of global warming and cooling and nobody would say humans caused them, if they happened before when CO2 emissions weren’t a concern, why all of a sudden is global warming anthropogenic? Answer: Al Gore wasn’t around. (sorry, Al).

 

[vz71]

Long before the industrial revolution, I’m sure there had been many cycles of global warming and cooling, if they happened before when CO2 emissions weren’t a concern, why all of a sudden is global warming anthropogenic?

Because it suits a purpose.

It is about control.

 

[irishpatrick]

Long before the industrial revolution, I’m sure there had been many cycles of global warming and cooling, if they happened before when CO2 emissions weren’t a concern, why all of a sudden is global warming anthropogenic?

That is the point–global warming periods have happened, and they have never been caused by humans. There have always been hot summers, always strange weather cycles, etc.

If scientists insist that humans are uniquely responsible for some warming present today, they have to explain how those warming cycles happened so often in the past, and why those past cycles were just as bad as today, and some were much worse.

 

[Nine_Two]

*WASHINGTON (AP) - If you want a glimpse of some of the worst of global warming, scientists suggest taking a look at U.S. weather in recent weeks.

Horrendous wildfires. Oppressive heat waves. Devastating droughts. Flooding from giant deluges. And a powerful freak wind storm called a derecho.

These are the kinds of extremes climate scientists have predicted will come with climate change, although it’s far too early to say that is the cause. Nor will they say global warming is the reason 3,215 daily high temperature records were set in the month of June.*

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apnews.myway.com/article/20120703/D9VP9J681.html

So a warm summer is a sign of global warming, but that cold winter two years ago was nothing?

These alarmists need to be consistent.

 

[Robertanthony]

Now let’s all destroy all the economies of the world to make sure global temperature doesn’t rise by a dreaded 1/10 of 1 degree Celcius. The Earth’s ecosystem is so fragile and precious it could never handle it. It’s nature worship, the Gaia religion sophisticatedly dressed as science. It’s also big bucks/business niche for Al and friends.

 

[Marie5890]

Several years ago, there was a terrible ice storm…was that Global Warming?

Without getting into the whole debate, I just wanted to point out that when it comes to the signs of global warming/climate change, that yes, extreme weather patterns, which would include terrible ice storms and unusual snow storms is a sign of global warming…

It’s about extreme severe weather, hot or cold,

 

[Marie5890]

That is the point–global warming periods have happened, and they have never been caused by humans. There have always been hot summers, always strange weather cycles, etc.

If scientists insist that humans are uniquely responsible for some warming present today, they have to explain how those warming cycles happened so often in the past, and why those past cycles were just as bad as today, and some were much worse.

Exactly.

It’s not about is global warming happening. Global warming and global cooling happens. It always has.

It’s about, in this bout, how much of human behavior is responsible, if at all.

 

[irishpatrick]

Exactly.

It’s not about is global warming happening. Global warming and global cooling happens. It always has.

It’s about, in this bout, how much of human behavior is responsible, if at all.

I agree, and since we have seen similar weather trends for a very long time, that would seem to indicate that humans little (or nothing) to do with global warming.

 

[Marie5890]

I agree, and since we have seen similar weather trends for a very long time, that would seem to indicate that humans little (or nothing) to do with global warming.

I would say that, scientifically speaking, we simply dont know, one way or the other. Just too soon with too little data for, historically speaking, span of time.

I have a brother-in-law who is a research tech for geophysics stationed in Alaska. Right now they are gathering data on the land masses that are now popping up in the Glacier Bay area as the glaciers continue to melt and recede in rapid timing.

As the extreme weight of the glaciers are no longer there, the land is popping up. He is the part of the group of research teams sent out to gather the data.

But it’s not like humans have had this ability to gather this kind of high end technical data for very long. We havent. We all know this.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

True, but if their methedology is in question, can we be certain their result concerning 1936 is accurate?

We can be more certain of the results of their scientific research than your opinion of doubt.

Jim

 

[JimR-OCDS]

irishpatrick

The National Climatic Data Center announced Thursday what most Americans had been feeling all summer: It’s been a scorcher across the country, the second-hottest since 1895.

But not by much. The warmest national average for June, July and August was 74.6 in 1936. This summer’s average was 74.5.

That’s the national USA average for the three months of summer. That data is too narrow to show climate change caused by global warming.

However, the warmest temps for the entire year on the entire planet, are 2010 as NASA and NAOA recorded.

Jim

 

[TrueLight]

Two thumbs way up.

I would like to add…am i the only one that has noticed the real temperature is not going up, but they stopped reporting it in favor of a “feels like” temperature?
A few days ago I was sitting in the office listening to the local weather tell us how hot it was. And they peppered their story with triple digit temperatures and mentioned a heat index of 110.
I had to leave, and braced myself at the door considering the transition from an office of 72 and the outside 110.
I walked out and noticed…nothing. It was a pleasent day, there was a gentle breeze blowing, and the temperature felt to be in the upper 80’s and the humidity was down.
And a few minutes later it was confirmed by my car thermometer telling me the outside parking area was 89 degrees.

LOL you’re right!

I hadn’t listened to the weather before I left home and asked someone in the office what the temperature was outside. He said 106. I said that’s impossible. He told me he heard it on the radio. As I smirked, he said, “Well, they say it feels like 106.” Ha ha.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

LOL you’re right!

I hadn’t listened to the weather before I left home and asked someone in the office what the temperature was outside. He said 106. I said that’s impossible. He told me he heard it on the radio. As I smirked, he said, “Well, they say it feels like 106.” Ha ha.

Heat index is important, for it’s how our bodies will respond.

In my last days in the Marine Corps, back in 1972, I was in charge of reading the temperature at high noon.

There was a formula which I had to use, reading a mercury thermometer, a wet bulb and dry bulb thermometer and wind speed. Based on the formula they gave me I would calculate the heat index and then put up a flag to indicate to the battalion commander what it was. Black flag meant no exercise or outdoor physical activity, unless necessary.

This was important in order to avoid heat exhaustion or worse, heat stroke which can be life threatening.

That of course was at the base area itself. Those out in the field, just had to deal with it.

Jim

 

[TrueLight]

Yes, I know but one still has to differentiate between the two!

By the way, when it gets too hot, I get nauseous and feel like I want to faint. What does that mean?

Heat index is important, for it’s how our bodies will respond.

In my last days in the Marine Corps, back in 1972, I was in charge of reading the temperature at high noon.

There was a formula which I had to use, reading a mercury thermometer, a wet bulb and dry bulb thermometer and wind speed. Based on the formula they gave me I would calculate the heat index and then put up a flag to indicate to the battalion commander what it was. Black flag meant no exercise or outdoor physical activity, unless necessary.

This was important in order to avoid heat exhaustion or worse, heat stroke which can be life threatening.

That of course was at the base area itself. Those out in the field, just had to deal with it.

Jim

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Yes, I know but one still has to differentiate between the two!

By the way, when it gets too hot, I get nauseous and feel like I want to faint. What does that mean?

Might be because the heat causes your blood pressure to rise.

Jim

 

[garn9173]

Just after noon here and it’s already 94, incredible! I love extreme weather, wether it be heat or cold.

It may be too hot to drink beer this afternoon at the 4th of July party i’m going to

 

[austenbosten]

Without getting into the whole debate, I just wanted to point out that when it comes to the signs of global warming/climate change, that yes, extreme weather patterns, which would include terrible ice storms and unusual snow storms is a sign of global warming…

It’s about extreme severe weather, hot or cold,

I don’t know I always took it as the world is changing…the same way the world had ice ages and warming periods.

 

[psr13]

Just because it’s hot in parts of the country proves global warming? It’s not hotter than usual in my part of the country, so by that logic we disprove global warming.

 

[irishpatrick]

irishpatrick

That’s the national USA average for the three months of summer. That data is too narrow to show climate change caused by global warming.

However, the warmest temps for the entire year on the entire planet, are 2010 as NASA and NAOA recorded.

Jim

We were speaking of summer…yet even if 2010 is the hottest (I also read 2011, 1936, and 1895, so go figure), so what? We are talking incredibly small differences and no trend that sets our era apart from the past. We had amazingly hot years, and amazingly cold years, throughout history, and they all were within a degree or less of today’s temps.

If humans are causing this, than there sure should be an obviously large difference between now and 1895–after all, in 1900 we had roughly 1.8 billion people on the planet and nowhere near as much pollution being dumped into the atmosphere, while today there is 7.2 billion people and vast numbers of pollutants going into the atmosphere.

Put it this way: Today, with nearly four times as many people on the planet, and millions more carbon emission sources, we see no appreciable rise in tempurature over hot years like 1895 and 1936. This simply means that there must be something else going on.

[Hint: that sun is a pretty hot, and uncontrollable, ball of gas]