This US summer is 'what global warming looks like'

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FRONTLINE did several exposes on investment banking houses gambling with our money: when they win, they keep it; when the lose, we pay, because they’re “too big to fail.” No free market risk here… The game is rigged. One FRONTLINE episode exposed the Democrats brutal treatment of the woman who tried to save us, Brooksley Born. This genius who was ousted by Clinton’s regime for trying to regulate derivatives she saw as deadly to the economy. She recently renewed her warning as derivatives are still wide open, with lying to investors virtually legal.
pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/warning/interviews/born.html

FRONTLINE, on July 4, 2012, aired another on banking houses and their orgy of fraud. In it, they said bankers seek “solutions” for grave problems as there are huge profits to be made. Global Warming is one such (fake) crisis waiting to be exploited in the creation of a market to trade CARBON CREDITS where “dirty” companies must buy “clean” offsets. There is no man-made global warming. There is “global warming” on Mars because of solar activity. “We won’t be wise again.”

Fannie Mae, the federal mortgage provider that crashed the housing market even after Republicans warned it was dangerously mismanaged, bought a million+ computer program to trade CARBON CREDITS. Why?!? Fannie Mae cashes in on each trade as a broker; and Fannie Makes even more cash in trading CARBON CREDITS ripped off (in the mortgage’s fine print) from American home owneres via home improvements that reduce their carbon footprint. Fannie Mae is grabbing these for it’s own monstrous self, leaving lots of funny money to help weaken America further. God forbid!

This economic rape by fraud will be paid for by duped Americans if they allow this Global Warming/CARBON CREDITS travesty to gain traction. Companies will pass through the CARBON CREDIT expense/tax/fine to consumers. Don’t forget, Al Gore is himself an oil baron with major holdings in Occidental Petroleum, granted to his senator-daddy by Stalin’s financier, Armand Hammer, for getting him off a treason charge. Our Lady warned us Russia would spread her errors leading to the “annihilation” of nations. This is Stalin’s continuing legacy of death by a thousand cuts.

Gore’s Occidental Petroleum cashed in on the Teapot Dome un-scandal–the modern one–where Occidental Petroleum bought the Elk Hills Naval Petroleum Reserve (part of the old Teapot Dome rip-off attempted by clumsy Republicans ages ago). These asset belonging to America was sold to Al’s Occidental Petroleum by Bill to “balance the budget.” C’mon. Wake up. If Al was true blue, he would divest himself of Occidental Petroleum. Bless the wise souls who can figure out why an oil baron would want to regulate CARBON CREDITS!

May the Most High God grant us purity of intent; and discernment; and turn the outnumbering enemy upon itself as Gideon did by obeying God’s direction. God, bless and protect America and deliver her from her enemies, all for Your honor and glory. Thanks most humbly, Creator, and forgive us our foolishness. AMEN
 
FRONTLINE did several exposes on investment banking houses gambling with our money: when they win, they keep it; when the lose, we pay, because they’re “too big to fail.” No free market risk here… The game is rigged. One FRONTLINE episode exposed the Democrats brutal treatment of the woman who tried to save us, Brooksley Born. This genius who was ousted by Clinton’s regime for trying to regulate derivatives she saw as deadly to the economy. She recently renewed her warning as derivatives are still wide open, with lying to investors virtually legal.
pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/warning/interviews/born.html

FRONTLINE, on July 4, 2012, aired another on banking houses and their orgy of fraud. In it, they said bankers seek “solutions” for grave problems as there are huge profits to be made. Global Warming is one such (fake) crisis waiting to be exploited in the creation of a market to trade CARBON CREDITS where “dirty” companies must buy “clean” offsets. There is no man-made global warming. There is “global warming” on Mars because of solar activity. “We won’t be wise again.”

Fannie Mae, the federal mortgage provider that crashed the housing market even after Republicans warned it was dangerously mismanaged, bought a million+ computer program to trade CARBON CREDITS. Why?!? Fannie Mae cashes in on each trade as a broker; and Fannie Makes even more cash in trading CARBON CREDITS ripped off (in the mortgage’s fine print) from American home owneres via home improvements that reduce their carbon footprint. Fannie Mae is grabbing these for it’s own monstrous self, leaving lots of funny money to help weaken America further. God forbid!

This economic rape by fraud will be paid for by duped Americans if they allow this Global Warming/CARBON CREDITS travesty to gain traction. Companies will pass through the CARBON CREDIT expense/tax/fine to consumers. Don’t forget, Al Gore is himself an oil baron with major holdings in Occidental Petroleum, granted to his senator-daddy by Stalin’s financier, Armand Hammer, for getting him off a treason charge. Our Lady warned us Russia would spread her errors leading to the “annihilation” of nations. This is Stalin’s continuing legacy of death by a thousand cuts.

Gore’s Occidental Petroleum cashed in on the Teapot Dome un-scandal–the modern one–where Occidental Petroleum bought the Elk Hills Naval Petroleum Reserve (part of the old Teapot Dome rip-off attempted by clumsy Republicans ages ago). These asset belonging to America was sold to Al’s Occidental Petroleum by Bill to “balance the budget.” C’mon. Wake up. If Al was true blue, he would divest himself of Occidental Petroleum. Bless the wise souls who can figure out why an oil baron would want to regulate CARBON CREDITS!

May the Most High God grant us purity of intent; and discernment; and turn the outnumbering enemy upon itself as Gideon did by obeying God’s direction. God, bless and protect America and deliver her from her enemies, all for Your honor and glory. Thanks most humbly, Creator, and forgive us our foolishness. AMEN
I saw that Frontline but you have to understand that most people would rather watch “America’s Got Talent” and they can’t even grasp what derivatives are. Or, as a matter of fact, what true science is. What they believe is media propaganda. An ignorant populace is a dependent populace. We live in an oligarchy, perhaps soon to become a dictatorship.
 
WASHINGTON (AP) - If you want a glimpse of some of the worst of global warming, scientists suggest taking a look at U.S. weather in recent weeks…
Borenstein sort of has it right, and is struggling with the ideas of weather and climate.

The reason scientists cannot say that a particular heat wave or storm is caused by climate change (while we laypersons can) has to do with (1) the statistical level differences between weather and climate; and (2) the scientific method of assuming the null hypothesis (no link), unless it is so improbable – like 5% or less, or even 1% or less probability – that one can reject the null and by default accept the alternative or research hypothesis that there is a link.

(1) Climate is the aggregate of all weather patterns, and weirdly enough it is easier to predict and understand than weather events. For instance, I got this 1970s atlas from a garage sale, and its climate map is still pretty accurate – though the plant growing zones have shifted a bit north. So in that situation scientists can never really say a particular weather event is caused by anthropogenic climate change (ACC), even in the horrific future into which we are racing headlong.

I use sociologist Durkheim’s study of suicide to try and get that point across. Durkheim claimed that social facts, not psychological (things at the individual level), cause social facts (rejecting Spencer & others). ((Actually “sociocultural facts,” since Durkheim sort of incorporated the cultural into the social.)) One of his examples was suicide. He found the suicide rates (a social fact) to be fairly constant year to year, and what caused differences among them between men and women, Protestant and Catholic nations, rich & poor, etc – or for the rates to be on the increase or decrease – were sociocultural facts, such as increased “anomie” in the countries and categories of people who had the higher rates. Anomie is his concept for normlessness…like when people are rich in general they are not as oppressed into rule-following as much as the poor are.

Now, he did admit that there are all sorts of psychological and individual particular reasons why a particular person might commit suicide, and it was hard to predict these, but suicide rates were more understandable in terms of the sociocultural facts that involved anomie (or in his later works, “altruism” for Japan).

Same way we can predict that there will be more heatwaves, storms, disease spread, wildfires, crop losses, etc from climate change, but it is much more difficult to predict exactly where and when these particular events will strike – Heck, weathermen can’t even predict the weather very accurately 7 days in advance (so never ever get your climate science from weathermen).

Now having said all that, we have now passed into a far out standard deviation from the norm (no CC) for these extreme weather events; which means in the aggregate these extreme events do signal CC.

(2) Since science is set sort of kitty-wonker to our common sense and dwells heavily on the null hypothesis (no link, CC is not happening), they require the probability of the null to be 5% of less before rejecting it and accepting that there is a link. Scientists need to avoid the FALSE POSITIVE like the plague (claiming ACC, when there is no ACC), bec they can’t afford to be the boy who called wolf and lose their reputations. We people, OTOH, need to avoid the FALSE NEGATIVE of failing to address a real and serious problem like ACC. We can’t afford to be the villagers who get eaten up by the wolf (the actual moral of that story :)).

So that’s why scientists are shy about making claims, esp using a statistically higher level to claim something at a statistically lower level (claiming weather events are linked to climate change).

We laypersons concerned about life on planet earth, OTOH, should be focused on avoiding the false negative by assuming we are already living in a globally warming world and that all weather events are being impacted by it in various ways, and we won’t stop mitigating ACC until they prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that ACC is not happening and not causing severe weather events.

In fact, I’m just going to keep on mitigating even if they do disprove ACC, since I’m saving so much money by mitigating… I even calculated our Chevy Volt (which we thought was our big splurge after saving $1000s from ACC mitigation measures) will be saving us lots of money – paying for the difference between it and the car my husband wanted (Ford Taurus) in 6.5 years, then going on to save – money & the earth!
 
Here’s something else that sort of helps explain the link between CC and extreme weather events (or, in this case the CO wildfires), with our need for a different approach to CC-related problems in the “anthropocene”:

**Did climate change ’cause’ the Colorado wildfires? **
grist.org/climate-change/did-climate-change-cause-the-colorado-wildfires/

The answer is “yes.” But it’s more about differences between proximate and distal causes of events, with CC being a more distal cause, and how we are sort of wired to focus on somewhat more proximate causes than CC, but that needs to change.
 
I was wondering how this thread got so far along without your (name removed by moderator)ut, lynnevic.

:rolleyes:

Unsubscribed.

Oh, wait, just one thing - The Colorado Springs fires were caused by an arsonist.
 
Here’s something else that sort of helps explain the link between CC and extreme weather events (or, in this case the CO wildfires), with our need for a different approach to CC-related problems in the “anthropocene”:
When did they start classifying wildfires as weather events?
 
I know these discussion on the validity of CC always slip right over to policy and how expensive/harmful it might be, since that will sort of decide whether or not we take the issue seriously.

It would really be great if the governments of the world took this issue seriously and helped solve the problem, but since they have abdicated their responsibility, then it is really up to us people to mitigate CC. And actually it always has been, tho governments can do much to reduce their own GHG emissions.

Even without incentives, such as higher fossil fuel energy prices if we end subsidies or tax-breaks to fossil fuels, or (heaven forbid) put a higher tax or fee on them (as if that could have more impact than the market swings), it really pays to mitigate. There is so much low-hanging fruit, it’s like we’re in the Garden of Eden again.

My husband and I have been mitigating ACC for over 20 years and saving $1000s without lowering our living standard, even increasing it some – and that’s not even counting that we’ve always lived within 2 miles of work and shops since the 70s, due to concern about peak oil. And businesses and industries that have chosen to mitigate have also reaped great savings.

Eventually we may have to sacrifice or splurge, but there are so many other cost-effective solutions we need to implement, I’m thinking we’ll be busy with those for the rest of our lives. Even our Chevy Volt, which I thought was a splurge, I now figure will pay for difference between the car my husband wanted (Ford Taurus) within 6.5 years, and then go on to save us money.

I had been prepared to sacrifice some 22 years ago to reduce our GHGs, but it is all a great way to become more and more financially well-off, making the words of Jesus ring ever more true than I could have ever imagined: When you seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness, all things will be added unto you – literally!

So let’s hop to it and show the gov that we don’t really need them to help us solve this problem and maintain a healthy, viable world for our progeny, at least not nearly as much as we may have thought.
 
When did they start classifying wildfires as weather events?
I’m only making the link that his article on CC causing wildfires also applies to CC causing extreme weather events – as a distal (rather than proximate) cause that is too distal for most of us to even blink an eye over.

However, for me distal makes no difference – if I am responsible, even if only one person among the 6 billion causing the problem, and even if my portion of contribution is so tiny not to register on anyone’s most sensitive scale – it registers on my moral scale, and it registers on God’s (I’m thinking nothing is distal for God). The people I am harming may be on the other side of the world and my harm to them less than a drop in the vast ocean, but they are so close to me as to be in my mind’s eye and my flaws and sins are ever before me – large.

It just happened I was in process of becoming an OCDS in the late 80s, so was looking closely at my sins and flaws, at the same time global warming came on the public scene, including how it might be contributing to droughts in Africa. That’s what jumpstarted me into action of mitigating, reducing my GHGs. Perhaps if I had not been in process of becoming an OCDS I may not have taken that path.
 
Right, try getting the rest of the world to follow is tough, especially when you have Americans saying it isn’t necessary and climate change is made up by liberals. :rolleyes:

Jim
Yes, because the rest of the world is listening to conservatives in America, and that is halting their progress… Whatever. Make something else up.

The rest of the world is more progressive and gung ho about believeing in manmade GW than we are, and yet, which countries are doing more? Some for sure, but the US has taken drastic measures.

If the rest of the world cared so much, you’d think they’d do a bit more.
 
Whatever.
Hey now - didn’t you see the cute emoticon?

That’s how you say "I think you make no sense and really don’t care much for you, but to cover my behind, I’ll add this glib smiley so I can say otherwise if called on it!" on the internet.
 
Hey now - didn’t you see the cute emoticon?

That’s how you say "I think you make no sense and really don’t care much for you, but to cover my behind, I’ll add this glib smiley so I can say otherwise if called on it!" on the internet.
Noted it.
I am being poked and prodded into a fight that is essentially meaningless and contributes none to the topic on hand.

I choose not to participate.
 
Has anyone noticed that when these weather abnormalities happen, people claim global warming and climate change, yet we never really hear people claim “chastisement.”

The world’s, and the USA’s, woes are just as likely due to natural causes as they are to an actual allowed chastisement. Yet, again, most people do not want to think God would allow that to happen because if it were true, that would require corporate change.
 
…If the rest of the world cared so much, you’d think they’d do a bit more.
I think you may have a point. I don’t have the stats, but it’s possible a larger portion of Americans are doing something to mitigate CC. Of course, we have a much greater carbon footprint per capita from which to cut. And our GHGs we need to cut are also in the products we buy from abroad, like China (we buy it, we break it).

However, it’s sort of sad and pathetic that we just aren’t doing nearly enough by way of energy/resource efficiency/conservation that could reduce our American GHGs by 50%, even 75% without lowering living standards or productivity.

And it’s totally pathetic that people of other countries are sort of waiting around for Americans to lead the way, when it seems we don’t have any plan to do so, but would (it seems to me) rather burn our money out on our front lawns like so many fall leaves than lift a finger to reduce. And it’s totally pathetic for them (and us) not to reduce much when this is not a “multilaterial” disarmament issue, but a “unilateral” issue: Each country, each household, each person needs to reduce their own GHGs whether or not others are doing likewise.

Which is what JPII told us 22 years ago: it is everyone’s responsibility. And that doesn’t mean looking sideways to see if others are doing the right thing before we decide to do the right thing. It means taking individual responsibility and doing the right thing even if the entire world has abdicated its responsibility.
 
I think you may have a point. I don’t have the stats, but it’s possible a larger portion of Americans are doing something to mitigate CC. Of course, we have a much greater carbon footprint per capita from which to cut. And our GHGs we need to cut are also in the products we buy from abroad, like China (we buy it, we break it).

However, it’s sort of sad and pathetic that we just aren’t doing nearly enough by way of energy/resource efficiency/conservation that could reduce our American GHGs by 50%, even 75% without lowering living standards or productivity.

And it’s totally pathetic that people of other countries are sort of waiting around for Americans to lead the way, when it seems we don’t have any plan to do so, but would (it seems to me) rather burn our money out on our front lawns like so many fall leaves than lift a finger to reduce. And it’s totally pathetic for them (and us) not to reduce much when this is not a “multilaterial” disarmament issue, but a “unilateral” issue: Each country, each household, each person needs to reduce their own GHGs whether or not others are doing likewise.

Which is what JPII told us 22 years ago: it is everyone’s responsibility. And that doesn’t mean looking sideways to see if others are doing the right thing before we decide to do the right thing. It means taking individual responsibility and doing the right thing even if the entire world has abdicated its responsibility.
Your personal perspective on what is “the right thing to do” is your view, and others are not required to hold to the same opinion. It is important to keep that in mind.
 
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