Thousands protest Wisconsin anti-union bill

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It kills me how myopic union zombies think that doing a bad job is the only reason to be fired. Millions of hard workers are unemployed because their employers ran out of money to pay them. Wake up! It’s now happening to you!:eek:
 
bbarrick8383 said:
They can keep going down the same road all they want though, they will never see the same numbers they had in the '30’s.

And they will continue to lose people and as long as they keep showing the same jealousy and ignorance they continue to show.
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The same jealousy and ignorance the business owners also show, huh?
I guess, actually why don’t their numbers grow though? Who wouldn’t want to smoke pot and drink alcohol during break times or be sent to sit at a mall for 8 hours and get paid because there wasn’t enough work to do.
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This is a ridiculous comment - unworthy of you. 😦
 
iamrefreshed said:
It kills me how myopic union zombies think that doing a bad job is the only reason to be fired. Millions of hard workers are unemployed because their employers ran out of money to pay them. Wake up! It’s now happening to you!:eek:
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More of a function of supply and demand.

Because of one thing or another, people feel less confident about their economic future. Demand goes down there’s not enough work to do. The company can’t make money off of you, so they lay you off.

Demand for government services goes UP in a down economy. There’s MORE work to do with less money.
 
For you 'share the other’s wealth" liberals…

Remember the story of the college girl home for the weekend? She’s railing on her Dad because he’s a Republican. So Dad says:

“Lemme ask you a question Honey. How are you doing in college?”

“Great” she replies. “I work really hard, never skip class, do all my homework on time, and I have a 4.0 GPA.”

“That’s great,” replies her Dad. “How’s your roommate Sally doing?”

“Terrible!” she replies. “She parties all night, skips class about half the time and she’s got a 1.5 GPA and in danger of flunking out. She’s on academic probation,” the daughter laments.

“Well” says her Dad, “since you’ve got a 4.0, why don’t you donate 1 point to her to help her out. It’ll keep her from being kicked outta school, and you can spare one of those four points to help her out, can’t ya? You’ll never miss it.”

“What?” exclaims the daughter. “I’ve worked my butt off for those grades while she laid on her *** partying. I’m not gonna give her anything! She doesn’t deserve it!” she yelled.

Smiling, her Dad replied, “Honey, looks like you’re a Republican now!”
 
iamrefreshed said:
For you 'share the other’s wealth" liberals…

Remember the story of the college girl home for the weekend? She’s railing on her Dad because he’s a Republican. So Dad says:

“Lemme ask you a question Honey. How are you doing in college?”

“Great” she replies. “I work really hard, never skip class, do all my homework on time, and I have a 4.0 GPA.”

“That’s great,” replies her Dad. “How’s your roommate Sally doing?”

“Terrible!” she replies. “She parties all night, skips class about half the time and she’s got a 1.5 GPA and in danger of flunking out. She’s on academic probation,” the daughter laments.

“Well” says her Dad, “since you’ve got a 4.0, why don’t you donate 1 point to her to help her out. It’ll keep her from being kicked outta school, and you can spare one of those four points to help her out, can’t ya? You’ll never miss it.”

“What?” exclaims the daughter. “I’ve worked my butt off for those grades while she laid on her *** partying. I’m not gonna give her anything! She doesn’t deserve it!” she yelled.

Smiling, her Dad replied, “Honey, looks like you’re a Republican now!”
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Non sequitir. Grade points are not in any way analogous to dollars.
 
iamrefreshed said:
“What?” exclaims the daughter. “I’ve worked my butt off for those grades while she laid on her *** partying. I’m not gonna give her anything! She doesn’t deserve it!” she yelled.

Smiling, her Dad replied, “Honey, looks like you’re a Republican now!”
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Typical Republican anecdote.

Let me tell you about a feature of where I work. We have a “compassionate leave” policy where employees, usually at year’s end, can donate unused leave to a “leave bank.” Employees who have run out of leave for medical or other serious purposes can apply to the Leave Bank Committee, which will, under certain guidelines, allow those employees to draw on the leave that “they didn’t deserve,” and that some other employees have “worked their butts off” to earn. Some employees won’t give another employee an hour of their earned leave - and that’s their right - but others have more compassion.

That’s just one of many reasons I could never vote Republican let alone become one. But, I fault no one for doing so themselves.
 
iamrefreshed said:
Then you don’t get the point of the story.😉
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I’m curious as to what the story has to do with the topic? A Republican governor wants to remove the right of civil servants to collectively bargain for working conditions, benefits and wages in order to reach a budget savings goal even though the union has offered to sit down and bargain for concessions to help the state reachs its savings goal.

You support this. Because, if I read your arguments correctly, unions are evil and there’s no money.

I do not. I believe in the Rule of Law and the law says that you are bound to a contract and cannot unilaterally back out of it. I believe that the United States Constitutions has a clause that discusses this? yes, I think there is.

United States Constitution
Article 1, Section 10. Clause 1.
No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

This proposed law impairs the obligation of the state to comply with contracts it signs.

Or is that okay because it involves those eeeeeeeeeeeeeevil unions?

As to there not being any money? There is actually a lot of money that is being hoarded away from the economy. I’m just pointing it out, not recommending a solution. Although I do believe that the solution involves placing a lot of that money back into the economy. I’d like to find a way for the rich to be incentivized into releasing that money so everyone can prosper again. Giving them more money in tax breaks doesn’t seem to be working.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Typical Republican anecdote.

Let me tell you about a feature of where I work. We have a “compassionate leave” policy where employees, usually at year’s end, can donate unused leave to a “leave bank.” Employees who have run out of leave for medical or other serious purposes can apply to the Leave Bank Committee, which will, under certain guidelines, allow those employees to draw on the leave that “they didn’t deserve,” and that some other employees have “worked their butts off” to earn. Some employees won’t give another employee an hour of their earned leave - and that’s their right - but others have more compassion.

That’s just one of many reasons I could never vote Republican let alone become one. But, I fault no one for doing so themselves.
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That’s a great policy! And it’s VOLUNTARY!👍
 
LCMS_No_More said:
I’m curious as to what the story has to do with the topic? A Republican governor wants to remove the right of civil servants to collectively bargain for working conditions, benefits and wages in order to reach a budget savings goal even though the union has offered to sit down and bargain for concessions to help the state reachs its savings goal.

You support this. Because, if I read your arguments correctly, unions are evil and there’s no money.

I do not. I believe in the Rule of Law and the law says that you are bound to a contract and cannot unilaterally back out of it. I believe that the United States Constitutions has a clause that discusses this? yes, I think there is.

United States Constitution
Article 1, Section 10. Clause 1.
No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

This proposed law impairs the obligation of the state to comply with contracts it signs.

Or is that okay because it involves those eeeeeeeeeeeeeevil unions?

As to there not being any money? There is actually a lot of money that is being hoarded away from the economy. I’m just pointing it out, not recommending a solution. Although I do believe that the solution involves placing a lot of that money back into the economy. I’d like to find a way for the rich to be incentivized into releasing that money so everyone can prosper again. Giving them more money in tax breaks doesn’t seem to be working.
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You brought up the eeeeeeeeeeevil millionaire business owners.😉

I don’t find unions inherently evil.

There is no money even withstanding your conspiracy theories.

Depressed home values equals lower tax base. It simple really.😛
 
iamrefreshed said:
That’s a great policy! And it’s VOLUNTARY!👍
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And it was a Democratic proposal! Almost all the GOP legislators - with a few exceptions, thank God - voted against it because it would require a bit more bureaucracy. “That’s not the way a “bidness” is run.” 😦
 
I only got through about 5 pages before I had to chime in so forgive me if this is already posted. But the fact is he didn’t just decide to take away union rights. He began creating a shortfall the minute he came into office, to have a reason to take away union rights. He basically drove the budget into the ground to give him a reason for taking away the rights of unions. Unions are a good thing, yes sometimes they can get carried away but they are beneficial. In my town the union is the only thing keeping half the non police officer personal from the police department from getting the axe with almost no severance package due to the town’s fiscal irresponsibility. Honestly, I don’t think Wisconsins teachers, waste managment, and etc should put up with this. I wouldn’t be surprised to see strikes if this situation isn’t addressed.

tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/wisconsin-gov-walker-ginned-up-budget-shortfall-to-undercut-worker-rights.php
 
iamrefreshed said:
For you 'share the other’s wealth" liberals…

Remember the story of the college girl home for the weekend? She’s railing on her Dad because he’s a Republican. So Dad says:

“Lemme ask you a question Honey. How are you doing in college?”

“Great” she replies. “I work really hard, never skip class, do all my homework on time, and I have a 4.0 GPA.”

“That’s great,” replies her Dad. “How’s your roommate Sally doing?”

“Terrible!” she replies. “She parties all night, skips class about half the time and she’s got a 1.5 GPA and in danger of flunking out. She’s on academic probation,” the daughter laments.

“Well” says her Dad, “since you’ve got a 4.0, why don’t you donate 1 point to her to help her out. It’ll keep her from being kicked outta school, and you can spare one of those four points to help her out, can’t ya? You’ll never miss it.”

“What?” exclaims the daughter. “I’ve worked my butt off for those grades while she laid on her *** partying. I’m not gonna give her anything! She doesn’t deserve it!” she yelled.

Smiling, her Dad replied, “Honey, looks like you’re a Republican now!”
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Brought a tear to my eye. :coffee:
 
iamrefreshed said:
You brought up the eeeeeeeeeeevil millionaire business owners.😉

I don’t find unions inherently evil.

There is no money even withstanding your conspiracy theories.

Depressed home values equals lower tax base. It simple really.😛
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Granted, there’s been losses of trillions of dollars out of the economy. Apparently that economy was built out of a soap bubble. That’s what you get with this kind of tax policy…one bubble popping after yet another bubble popping and so on. It’s really no way to run a railroad. 😉
 
servant1989 said:
I only got through about 5 pages before I had to chime in so forgive me if this is already posted. But the fact is he didn’t just decide to take away union rights. He began creating a shortfall the minute he came into office, to have a reason to take away union rights. He basically drove the budget into the ground to give him a reason for taking away the rights of unions. Unions are a good thing, yes sometimes they can get carried away but they are beneficial. In my town the union is the only thing keeping half the non police officer personal from the police department from getting the axe with almost no severance package due to the town’s fiscal irresponsibility. Honestly, I don’t think Wisconsins teachers, waste managment, and etc should put up with this. I wouldn’t be surprised to see strikes if this situation isn’t addressed.

tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/wisconsin-gov-walker-ginned-up-budget-shortfall-to-undercut-worker-rights.php
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That myth has been dubunked so many tmes its isnt even funny anymore.
 
gurneyhalleck1 said:
Nice to see a Catholic who is pro-union. The usual anti-union Republican crowd is pretty thick in CAF. It’s rare to see someone stick up for organized labor. I happen to be a site union rep at my school and I LOVE my union. I’m union 100%. And I don’t apologize for it one iota. 👍 You can be Catholic and not anti-public employee/anti-government…

Nice post, gnjsdad
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I want to thank you for the kind words…before the thread gets too large…

Right now, I’m giving myself a crash course in Catholic social doctrine, with my trusty copy of the *Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church. *This document needs to be studied!

I’m learning so much, including what the Popes and Magisterium have had to say about the rights of workers! It’s eye-opening, and really quite an indictment of American Catholic education that more Catholics here are unaware of this treasure of the faith!
 
iamrefreshed said:
Since you believe Jesus would support abortion, I’m glad to be on the other side of the debate from you.
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:confused: I have never said I knew Jesus would personally support abortion. Irregardless there is a huge difference between supporting abortion and supporting a woman’s right and free will to choose what to do with her body under an almost now 40 yr old current secular civil law. But that’s neither here nor there because your post had absolutely nothing to do with what is going on WI and the anti union bill.
 
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