Thousands protest Wisconsin anti-union bill

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pnewton said:
The principle of buoyancy does not apply to economics. One is a physical science and the other a social science. I think the union worker who was laid off so that the older worker with more seniority could displace him in his job would not agree. I know several who have quit unions (fortunately something that is allowed here) because its seniority structure unfair discriminates. The did not rise with the tide but were torpedoed by their own union. In Texas, this type of structure is a pyramid scheme, where those in first benefit from those that are new. Unions can engage in unjust practices toward workers just as much as corporations can.

I will not do you the same disservice of calling you blind because you do not agree. Disagreement is the nature of humanity, not a form of blindness. However, do the unions ever take any actions to help non-union employees directly? Would they assist a worker that does not pay dues and has no interest in joining them?
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Unions are just as much about raking in money as those greedy corporations. It’s just that monopoly laws don’t apply to them.
 
qui_est_ce said:
Unions are just as much about raking in money as those greedy corporations. It’s just that monopoly laws don’t apply to them.
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There’s a big difference. Corporations are about concentrating wealth. Unions are the opposite.
 
Mickey_Finn said:
Walker didn’t campaign on any of these things. Further, it’s become a national war on workers rights.

I believe you choose not to see.

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Did you follow that state’s elections closely or did someone tell you Walker did not campaign on a war on worker’s rights? He did campaign, I believe, to get the budget in hand and his way of doing it may not meet with your approval, but he was elected. If Wisconsin does not like what he is doing and if he is not able to bring additional jobs, thus additional revenue, to Wisconsin, the voters can throw him out in four years.
 
LCMS_No_More said:
There’s a big difference. Corporations are about concentrating wealth. Unions are the opposite.
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Given the unions gave a half $1 billion to Democratic candidates last year they must be concentrating some wealth someplace!
 
LCMS_No_More said:
There’s a big difference. Corporations are about concentrating wealth. Unions are the opposite.
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Correct; unions primary goals are to protect workers from exploitation, unfair labor practices, safe working conditions and allow them to have a meaningful voice in the workplace. Which is something that most non-union workers do not enjoy.
 
mary_bobo said:
Did you follow that state’s elections closely or did someone tell you Walker did not campaign on a war on worker’s rights? He did campaign, I believe, to get the budget in hand and his way of doing it may not meet with your approval, but he was elected. If Wisconsin does not like what he is doing and if he is not able to bring additional jobs, thus additional revenue, to Wisconsin, the voters can throw him out in four years.
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Just as he was legally elected, he can likewise be legally removed and I honestly hope that occurs as well.
 
gamewell45 said:
Just as he was legally elected, he can likewise be legally removed and I honestly hope that occurs as well.
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Since Obama has the same policy towards government union workers as Walker does will you be working for Obama’s removal as well?
 
LCMS_No_More said:
There’s a big difference. Corporations are about concentrating wealth. Unions are the opposite.
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I fail to see the distinction. Assuming anything is about concentrating wealth, then corporations are about concentrating wealth in the shareholders. Unions are about concentrating wealth in the workers.

Both sides are made up of average joes. Take a look at your retirement portfolio or your pension’s portfolio. You too are a shareholder.
 
gamewell45 said:
Correct; unions primary goals are to protect workers from exploitation, unfair labor practices, safe working conditions and allow them to have a meaningful voice in the workplace. Which is something that most non-union workers do not enjoy.
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This has not been my experience at all. My two kids both work in a union shop (grocery) both complain about co-worker’s apathy, especially those with seniority. Both kids are hard workers and go out of their way to do whatever is necessary. They look ahead, but are prevented from doing anything beyond their specific duties by union rules.

My daughter also has a job life-guarding in the summer. She likes that job a lot more than her grocery job (although the store management is very benevolent to her). And she is paid $1.00/hour more, plus tips for parties.

My son works for a DJ company as well. He’s better paid, not union, and likes it much better.

Both my kids like their grocery jobs, they just don’t like the apathetic mentality of their co-workers.
Unfair labor practices are managed by state laws, not unions.

I know many, many people who enjoy safe, meaningful workplaces which are not unions.
 
gamewell45 said:
Correct; unions primary goals are to protect workers from exploitation, unfair labor practices, safe working conditions and allow them to have a meaningful voice in the workplace. Which is something that most non-union workers do not enjoy.
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Really? I have safe working conditions, have a voice in the workplace, and am not being exploited. Our company has no unions, yet we enjoy all the same benefits without union representation. How can this be?
 
Suudy said:
And as we’ve seen, other laws can be changed on a whim of Justices. How is this uniquely a Republican problem?
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The topic is labor law. The Republicans are most likely to remove protections from working people in favor of their contributors.
 
LCMS_No_More said:
The topic is labor law. The Republicans are most likely to remove protections from working people in favor of their contributors.
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And Democrats are most likely to remove protections from innocent people in favor of their contributors.

The point is that the Republicans are not uniquely guilty in making “unfair” changes.
 
estesbob said:
Since Obama has the same policy towards government union workers as Walker does will you be working for Obama’s removal as well?
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Bob, to answer your question I’m going to say no. Mainly because while Obama has not done much for unions, he leaves them alone; if a republican candidate were elected, it would not bode well for unions and working class people as well and that’s not something I would feel comfortable in happening.
 
Mickey_Finn said:
Brother, you should be looking to your own back yard. Your brothers there are in for worst than the Wisconsin workers.

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Yes, I believe that you’re right!!! It’s going to be a mess here in Ohio. They’re already rallying in Columbus about this, but I still don’t think the politicians solve anything by going AWOL and staying in some other state…That just wasn’t meant to be our political process, and I don’t like it at all…
 
gamewell45 said:
Bob, to answer your question I’m going to say no. Mainly because while Obama has not done much for unions, he leaves them alone; if a republican candidate were elected, it would not bode well for unions and working class people as well and that’s not something I would feel comfortable in happening.
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Fair enough-thats the same way i feel when I have to vote for a canidate who supports abortion in caes of rape and incest.
 
gamewell45 said:
Bob, to answer your question I’m going to say no. Mainly because while Obama has not done much for unions, he leaves them alone; if a republican candidate were elected, it would not bode well for unions and working class people as well and that’s not something I would feel comfortable in happening.
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I wish you would just use union people and not working class people. Or union working class people. Most of the country is working class and most of them do not belong to a union.
 
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