Timothy Gordon Fired

[Newhills]

You’re taking a single comment out of context. Not to mention I still don’t see where he said “violence”.

Have you read any of his books or listened to any of his shows? Or are you basing all of this on 1 statement without even reading the entirety of what he said?

 

[Newhills]

Yes I am.

Not only teachers. Many members of the Church openly speak against its teachings.

 

[Mac]

He condemned mob violence, do your homework before throwing stones.

 

[PetraG]

You’re taking a single comment out of context. Not to mention I still don’t see where he said “violence”.

Have you read any of his books or listened to any of his shows? Or are you basing all of this on 1 statement without even reading the entirety of what he said?

Did he or did he not post a picture of a priest and ask people to compare the priest to someone else and come to a conclusion about which one “looks gayer”? I cannot believe that statement came out of someone who aspires to a position of influence with Catholic youth.

Let’s not even start with anything having to do with condoning violence.

Honestly, he deserves to be fired just for his gross lack of judgment. That is real, and it is incompatible with the position of trust of working in a Catholic school. That is a profession that has to be reserved to those who possess real self-control.

 

[gracepoole]

He condemned mob violence, do your homework before throwing stones.

Again, he distanced himself from his statement after being fired. That’s hardly surprising. I’ve read his Twitter feed and several articles on this event, I’ve listened to his radio interview with a local program, I’ve listened to nearly all of his TnT and R4R podcasts during the past 2-3 years, I’ve read several articles he’s published for online sources. Please do not suggest I haven’t “done my homework.” I’m taking Gordon at his word. And in this case his word was inciting mob violence.

 

[Newhills]

You refer to the James Martin photo?

James Martin only highlights what I said - someone very openly works against church teaching, yet Tim Gordon is sacked for no justifiable reason.

 

[gracepoole]

You refer to the James Martin photo?

James Martin only highlights what I said - someone very openly works against church teaching, yet Tim Gordon is sacked for no justifiable reason.

There was justifiable reason.

 

[PetraG]

Yes I am.

Not only teachers. Many members of the Church openly speak against its teachings.

How on earth does someone secure a job teaching what the Church teaches–which is what every teacher in a Catholic school needs to do–and expect not to get fired when he is public with positions that oppose it? Even non-Catholics working at Catholic schools are expected to respect the teachings of the Church.

You don’t oppose someone you believe is at odds with Church teaching by publicly denigrating the person not only in an uncharitable way but with a puerile attack on his looks. That is evidence of someone who has no clue what it means to teach the faith.

 

[JulianN]

Have you read any of his books or listened to any of his shows? Or are you basing all of this on 1 statement without even reading the entirety of what he said?

I have. He’d already lost me at “married women working outside the home is a sin.”

 

[Newhills]

It is laughable to say that Tim Gordon has no clue about the faith.

All of these accusations are based on 1 line that was taken out of context.

But I’m just repeating myself now.

Unless anybody is actually familiar with Tim’s work, books or shows then I wish everybody a fantastic day as I exit this pointless discussion.

 

[JulianN]

And many get fired.

 

[gracepoole]

It is laughable to say that Tim Gordon has no clue about the faith.

All of these accusations are based on 1 line that was taken out of context.

But I’m just repeating myself now.

Unless anybody is actually familiar with Tim’s work, books or shows then I wish everybody a fantastic day as I exit this pointless discussion.

You don’t seem to be reading and comprehending several of the posts here. I’m very well versed in Gordon’s work.

 

[PetraG]

Also, why is it a thing these days to fire people based on what they do on their own time?

“These days” what people do with their own time is to get history’s biggest megaphone and say things that reflect on everyone who is associated with them.

Everyone’s professional organizations care what their employees publicize literally to the whole world. This is why wise people don’t say things on social media (let alone their blogs!!) that aren’t compatible with what they would say to their employer or to their clients directly.

Oh, and the old-fashioned word for that, by the way, is integrity.

 

[JulianN]

It is laughable to say that Tim Gordon has no clue about the faith.

To be fair, many of his “clues” are simply wrong, and not Church teaching.

 

[Newhills]

Toxic feminism & what it has brought upon society is a completely different discussion for a different thread. I don’t want to send this one out of control, it wouldn’t be nice to the OP. I also don’t know if that means you’ve actually read his books or if that sentence meant that you stopped & were unwilling to proceed further.

So for gracepoole who is very well versed with Tim’s work - what exactly is the issue? He used the word “force”. So going along the way of thinking that he literally meant to use force - what is the problem there? How do you dispatch a violent mob of people who are looting, stealing, beating, bashing & intimidating innocent people, workers & business owners? Do we just use our manners & ask them nicely to stop? Or would force be required?

 

[HomeschoolDad]

That’s very well put Brother but I would disagree. I think some movies are objectively bad for the soul and scarring.

Using pulp fiction as an example, I watched that years ago but there are still some vivid scenes I can’t unwatch! It’s not so much about disengaging with the world. Rather, having your filters turned up a notch. After all, to be “ok” with many of these such movies, would point to a dulling of conscience. Personally, I have watched many such movies and I do regret it. These days, I can’t bear the thought of watching “classics” like Godfather etc. They simply contain too much danger for the soul. Pax Christi!

That is your choice. There have been times in my life, when I chose not to watch some of the more raw, brutal movies, because I lacked peace in my life, and wanted to keep my recreational entertainment as light and jovial as possible. That’s everybody’s choice to make, and everybody is different.

I would note, though, that both Pulp Fiction and The Godfather are rather tame, compared to the more rugged, difficult-to-read portions of the Bible. And of course there is The Passion of the Christ — I really think every Christian, at some point in their spiritual journey, absolutely needs to watch this movie. One might keep in mind that, according to some, the Passion was even worse than that. The violence in PF is actually concentrated in a few intense scenes — the vast bulk of the movie is sharp, hip, quick-witted dialogue, peppered of course with more obscenities than you would hear in the toughest dive bar imaginable. Strangely enough, the “TV version” of PF — stripped of the obscenities with the more intense scenes either muted or cut out entirely — does a good job of telling the basic story. This helps to make the argument "Tarantino didn’t have to put in all that filthy talk to tell his story and to tell it well.

At this point the topic probably deserves its own thread, but I’ve said really all I have to say about it. Good discussion.

 

[MNathaniel]

Why? Seems like he was playing amateur shock jock. He doesn’t represent the school or the church well. He comes off as juvenile and needlessly abrasive. Defending conservative views does not require acting like a jerk.

Unfortunately, I agree with this and think you articulate it well. I’ve commented similarly on Gordon’s appearances in the past; he might have something otherwise valuable to contribute, but for whatever reason he sabotages himself with juvenile, abrasive, and often exaggerated language that he seems to mistake for “just telling it as I see it, bro”.

Misses the boat on “Telling the truth in gentleness,” from my perspective, and that’s truly unfortunate, especially if he otherwise has a valid point (on whatever topic). Because if he comes off as a jerk, people will associate that point with jerkishness, and reflexively reject it, rather than be inclined to be open to it. Straight up counter productive, and I imagine the enemy’s hand has been in it for awhile.

 

[gracepoole]

So for gracepoole who is very well versed with Tim’s work - what exactly is the issue? He used the word “force”. So going along the way of thinking that he literally meant to use force - what is the problem there? How do you dispatch a violent mob of people who are looting, stealing, beating, bashing & intimidating innocent people, workers & business owners? Do we just use our manners & ask them nicely to stop? Or would force be required?

The issue is the phrase “mob force.” Do I believe it’s legitimate to advocate for citizens to respond to a violent mob of people by becoming a violent mob of people themselves? No, I do not. Better advice would be to stay inside, lock your doors, report any malfeasance to authorities, and permit law enforcement to do its job.

 

[Newhills]

You’re entitled to believe that.

Many would believe in just force. Particularly if it was your business & livelihood being looted. Or somebody you knew being beaten by a mob.

 

[RolandThompsonGunner]

You refer to the James Martin photo?

James Martin only highlights what I said - someone very openly works against church teaching, yet Tim Gordon is sacked for no justifiable reason.

You’re missing the point. No one is saying you can’t disagree with Father Martin. That’s perfectly fine. Just do it charitably and respectfully, not with a juvenile insult like “lol he sure looks gay huh?”