Top 10 reasons women should dress modestly

[Edward_H]

I did, in the very post you snipped out and nit-picked. I won’t stop responding if you keep doing that.

Lost Wanderer…please answer these questions directly, without re-writing them. We can continue when you answer.

If a man looks at a woman lustily is it a sin? I think so. Does he need to work on it. You bet. Am I ‘judging’ him, nope…that’s God’s call. If he were my friend, would I work to help him, you bet. Have I actually done this, you bet. Has it helped? Sometimes.

If a woman deliberately (she admits it is her intention) dresses provocatively is it a sin?

If she dresses this way because she seeks attention, is it a sin?

Have the women here ever known or suspected any woman, maybe their friends, who have done these things?

What is the sin? Is it pride in a good body, is it vanity? Does it give comfort to them?

Do these women who’ve witnessed such acts, or who know such women, feel any Christian responsibility to help their friends?

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

You’re judging again. tsk tsk.

Admit it. You didn’t read the part about me clearly specifying what kind of judgment I’m attacking. You just skipped it.

You skipped it just like you skip any post that accuses you of promoting judgment via appearances.

With that said, I can only discern that it’s you who has something to hide.

 

[Edward_H]

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I see what he did. He googled bathing costume–went through checking the sites-- until he found the one that met his need. Pretty sneaky.

No…I put in the full intact term “bathing costume”. Vs. bathing | costume

 

[Debora123]

The pope’s original language is crucial if you want to understand his meaning.

So are you saying that to understand the theology of the body, you need to read it in it’s original language? I see nothing but excuses here. Seems to me like you’re trying hard not to see something that is obvious.

I did show you below. You inserted B outside of the Pope’s statement.

Now explain to me again why/how it was outside of the pope’s statement?

I gave you multiple sources that proved to you that bathing costumes include bikinis, including wanderer’s dictionary definition. All you gave me was google images that contained “few bikinis.”

I pointed out that if the pope felt that bikini best fit his meaning, you need to explain why he didn’t use this term, and instead used bathing costume.

I said considering bikinis are the most popular form of bathing costume, then they obviously fit the meaning of bathing costume. You’re asking me why he used the term “bathing costume” rather than list all forms of bathing costumes by name? I don’t have the answer for you there, but my common sense tells me it makes a lot more sense to use a broad term. So that’s probably why he did so.

I then showed below that google images of bathing costumes brings up very very very few binkinis.

Really? Is this the best you can do? “Google images showed only a FEW bikinis?”

Although that’s beside the point, since we’ve already seen multiple other sources confirm that bikinis are a form of bathing costume.

 

[Edward_H]

you who has something to hide.

Judger

 

[Edward_H]

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I showed you how the most powerful search engine in the world brings up a bunch of very conservative “bathing costumes” and not anywhere near the number of bikinis that you and others claimed.

This search engine reflects on zillions of queries and page selections, and is constantly updated based on people’s actual behavior, unlike stale dictionaries.

Admit it. You didn’t like the results that Google returned. And had it reported other results you would have beat me over the head with it.

 

[Walking_Home]

You don’t find anywhere near a plurality. It’s like one per page. Staggering minority.

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FACT–bikinis are NOT excluded.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

If a woman deliberately (she admits it is her intention) dresses provocatively is it a sin?

It’s a sin of intentions. The same sin exists in people who scream loudly in public and in people who perform skateboard stunts to frighten people.

If she dresses this way because she seeks attention, is it a sin?

I would be more concerned about the fact that she is seeking attention at all. Her means are insignificant.

Have the women here ever known or suspected any woman, maybe their friends, who have done these things?

I’m no woman but I’ve never suspected anything based purely on appearances.

What is the sin? Is it pride in a good body, is it vanity? Does it give comfort to them?

The sin is deliberately going out of your way to draw attention to yourself. It doesn’t matter what a person wears so long as it draws attention. Again, I point to you the power of the ever changing contexts.

A person who is truly proud and content with what they look (like I am) can only care so little for the fashion opinions of others. Therefore, I am not responsible for any mental goof-ups others make about my character purely because they base their judgment on my looks.

Do these women who’ve witnessed such acts, or who know such women, feel any Christian responsibility to help their friends?

Going after their wardrobe is hardly helping. If there was someone that insecure in my life and wants my help, I’d get to the heart of the matter.

 

[Edward_H]

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FACT–bikinis are NOT excluded.

Argument above was general or most popular. You or someone else above loses.

 

[Debora123]

And you need to include the quote marks preceding and trailing “bathing costume”

It’s treated as one term…and doesn’t pull in stray images based on bathing

Ok Edward, here ya go, 2 more sources:

thefreedictionary.com/bathing+costume

Noun 1. bathing costumebathing costume - tight fitting garment worn for swimming
bathing suit, swimming costume, swimsuit, swimwear
bikini, two-piece - a woman’s very brief bathing suit
garment - an article of clothing; “garments of the finest silk”
maillot, tank suit - a woman’s one-piece bathing suit
bathing trunks, swimming trunks - swimsuit worn by men while swimming

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swimsuit

A swimsuit, bathing suit, or swimming costume is an item of clothing designed to be worn while engaging in a water-based activity or water sports, such as swimming, water polo, diving, surfing, water skiing, or during activities in the sun, such as sun bathing.

(you can scroll down to where they specifically mention bikinis and provide pictures)

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

I showed you how the most powerful search engine in the world brings up a bunch of very conservative “bathing costumes” and not anywhere near the number of bikinis that you and others claimed.

Even the world’s most powerful search engine is subject to the might of dictionary definitions.

Honestly though. The way you talk about Google borders on idolatry. I also noticed how you referenced a link to only images.

This however was the top result for the whole world wide web.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swimsuit

 

[Debora123]

Argument above was general or most popular. You or someone else above loses.

How exactly do I lose, Edward?

Every single source we’ve provided, including the one YOU provided, has confirmed that the definition of bathing costume is swimsuit, which therefore includes bikinis.

 

[Edward_H]

It’s a sin of intentions. The same sin exists in people who scream loudly in public and in people who perform skateboard stunts to frighten people.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Edward H
If she dresses this way because she seeks attention, is it a sin?
I would be more concerned about the fact that she is seeking attention at all. Her means are insignificant. ** NO ANSWER, EVASION**

Quote:
Originally Posted by Edward H
Have the women here ever known or suspected any woman, maybe their friends, who have done these things?
I’m no woman but I’ve never suspected anything based purely on appearances.

“never suspected anything” ** NOT SINCERE / EVASION**

Quote:
Originally Posted by Edward H
What is the sin? Is it pride in a good body, is it vanity? Does it give comfort to them?
The sin is deliberately going out of your way to draw attention to yourself. It doesn’t matter what a person wears so long as it draws attention. Again, I point to you the power of the ever changing contexts.

AGREE. WELL SAID

A person who is truly proud and content with what they look (like I am) can only care so little for the fashion opinions of others. Therefore, I am not responsible for any mental goof-ups others make about my character purely because they base their judgment on my looks.

** NO ANSWER, EVASION** We should only mainly care about what God thinks.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Edward H
Do these women who’ve witnessed such acts, or who know such women, feel any Christian responsibility to help their friends?
Going after their wardrobe is hardly helping. If there was someone that insecure in my life and wants my help, I’d get to the heart of the matter.

WELL SAID and DONE

 

[Edward_H]

How exactly do I lose, Edward?

Every single source we’ve provided, including the one YOU provided, has confirmed that the definition of bathing costume is swimsuit, which therefore includes bikinis.

Negative. The little argument above used “most popular” or “general” or some other term of plurality…and google didn’t return it.

You or someone else lost.

 

[Walking_Home]

Argument above was general or most popular. You or someone else above loses.

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You shot yourself in the foot.

 

[Edward_H]

The way you talk about Google borders on idolatry. ]

Judging again. Putting people in buckets.

 

[Edward_H]

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You shot yourself in the foot.

Negative

B. Bikinis are by far the most popular forms of “bathing costumes.”

Google showed dramatically different evidence.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

Judger

Why thank you. Apparently a lot of people think the world could use more Judges like me.

Justice is blind after all.
One should not let appearances fully dictate one’s judgment.

Sadly the Party of Modesty and the Party of Sex are nothing more than two ends of the same branch of failure.

They both must fall.

imperial music starts

 

[Debora123]

Negative. The little argument above used “most popular” or “general” or some other term of plurality…and google didn’t return it.

You or someone else lost.

Hahahaha

so now I “lost” because even though bathing costumes include bikinis, you somehow conclude that bikinis aren’t the most popular form of bathing costume due to google images?

You are too funny, and I agree with walking. You, my friend, have royally shot yourself in the foot. It’s been fun.

 

[Walking_Home]

How exactly do I lose, Edward?

Every single source we’ve provided, including the one YOU provided, has confirmed that the definition of bathing costume is swimsuit, which therefore includes bikinis.

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True – even his search included sites with bikinis.