Top 10 reasons women should dress modestly

[Edward_H]

And again you are insulting my arguments rather than actually arguing them.

My claims have all been backed up by what the Church teaches. I don’t make stuff up like you do.

No, I am summarizing across 300 or so of some of the thinnest and repetitive posts I’ve ever seen.

You are almost right on the general freedom point, and have shown no ability to integrate other key principles of moral life into your postings, such as charity, chastity, humility, self-donation, solidarity, etc.

 

[Debora123]

No, I am summarizing across 300 or so of some of the thinnest and repetitive posts I’ve ever seen.

You are almost right on the general freedom point, and have shown no ability to integrate other key principles of moral life into your postings, such as charity, chastity, humility, self-donation, solidarity, etc.

Ok, then here’s an idea. Rather than sitting here and attacking me personally on my posts, (which has nothing to do with the discussion of this thread), why don’t you go back and actually break down those arguments I made and show me where/how what I said was wrong or invalid.

Bc I seem to recall you doing neither of that. And you booked it outta here when you realized you were wrong about JPII’s quote in his book “Love and Responsibility.”

And then you came back apologizing,

And now you’ve coming back and attacking me personally.

 

[Debora123]

No, I am summarizing across 300 or so of some of the thinnest and repetitive posts I’ve ever seen.

You are almost right on the general freedom point, and have shown no ability to integrate other key principles of moral life into your postings, such as charity, chastity, humility, self-donation, solidarity, etc.

I will no longer comment on these posts of yours that are aimed at me specifically… as I feel they are personal, immature, and contribute nothing to the discussion of this thread.

 

[Edward_H]

Ok, then here’s an idea. Rather than sitting here and attacking me personally on my posts, (which has nothing to do with the discussion of this thread), why don’t you go back and actually break down those arguments I made and show me where/how what I said was wrong or invalid.

Bc I seem to recall you doing neither of that. And you booked it outta here when you realized you were wrong about JPII’s quote in his book “Love and Responsibility.”

And then you came back apologizing,

And now you’ve coming back and attacking me personally.

I am not attacking you…I am calling attention to poor formation. This is an act of charity. Your inability to get off the bikini point and to reflect on our full responsibilities as Catholics…a fuller view of charity, generosity, humility, love of neighbor, solidarity.

How can you help others if you haven’t yet integrated these principles into an understanding of modesty and the general moral life? It’s impossible.

These are principles absent from your vocabulary over many hundred posts on this topic.

Don’t get all snippy just because I am pointing out thin points.

I thought this thread was about modesty and the moral life…not bikinis and your view of perverts.

 

[severus68]

This being a catholic forum, I would have thought that dressing modestly and for the circumstance has more to do with respect for others, in particular Our Lord than respect for oneself.
We only have to observe Sunday mass attendances to appreciate the lack of respect - and in more than clothes - shown Our Lord by many of either gender.
Gerry

A few year have described (sometimes in great detail) about what they see with horror at their churches at mass. Strangely, I do not see this. Perhaps they should be more partaking of the Mass and less observing how people dress and judging.

 

[Edward_H]

A few year have described (sometimes in great detail) about what they see with horror at their churches at mass. Strangely, I do not see this. Perhaps they should be more partaking of the Mass and less observing how people dress and judging.

When your 12 year son shakes hands at the sign of peace to a large chested woman who is bending over with a very low cut dress…then your point becomes an empty one.

Why do people turn this topic into a simplistic he/she issue…it’s a we issue. And so it’s a Church issue.

 

[Debora123]

I am not attacking you…I am calling attention to poor formation. This is an act of charity. Your inability to get off the bikini point and to reflect on our full responsibilities as Catholics…a fuller view of charity, generosity, humility, love of neighbor, solidarity.

How can you help others if you haven’t yet integrated these principles into an understanding of modesty and the general moral life? It’s impossible.

These are principles absent from your vocabulary over many hundred posts on this topic.

Don’t get all snippy just because I am pointing out thin points.

I thought this thread was about modesty and the moral life…not bikinis and your view of perverts.

You are not being charitable.

I am not the one here obsessed with bikinis. Everyone else is. I think there is nothing wrong with bikinis. I grew up with them, they are what women wear to go to a bathing place. If you want to go back into Love and Responsibility and discuss the fact that JPII condoned them, we can.

Other people here say they are immodest, and I explain why they are not. I am not off topic by doing that, as you claim me to be. Funny thing, the only reason I even started talking about bikinis again just now is because you and cviolette brought them up.

 

[Edward_H]

I am not the one here obsessed with bikinis. Everyone else is

Why is it that you’re the one who uses the word 5x more than anyone else?

 

[Debora123]

When your 12 year son shakes hands at the sign of peace to a large chested woman who is bending over with a very low cut dress…then your point becomes an empty one.

Why do people turn this topic into a simplistic he/she issue…it’s a we issue. And so it’s a Church issue.

No one here is condoning this type of dress to Church, Edward. And you know that.

Neither has anyone here denied that it’s a Church issue.

 

[severus68]

He and 99.999999% of the male population.

The thread isn’t about the world changing. The secular world is a mess. It should be about how a devout Catholic dresses.

With respect, that is absolute rubbish. This is an insult to men to see them as being unable to control their baser urges and themselves. Aren’t they children of God too.

Some men and even some women have always wanted to see women as being on a pedestal, demure, submissive having no sexual urges. If any woman is otherwise than that, than they have problems with morality and incite the lust of ‘poor’ men.

 

[Edward_H]

Bottom line. If you think that showing your body is best and most certain way that you can love God and others, then do it.

If you’re showing your body for other reasons, a Catholic should do some deeper thinking on their intentions and influence on the members of the Body of Christ.

That’s Catholic moral thinking decision making. That’s the test.

 

[Debora123]

Why is it that you’re the one who uses the word 5x more than anyone else?

I thought this wasn’t a he said she said issue? Or perhaps you have double standards?

Besides, I already answered that question. People here speak about bikinis being immodest and scandalous, and so I write back and explain that they are not. If people didn’t obsess over them being scandalous, I would not have the need to talk about why there’s nothing wrong with them.

 

[Edward_H]

No one here is condoning this type of dress to Church, Edward. And you know that.

Neither has anyone here denied that it’s a Church issue.

No, I am just taking your recommendation and showing how silly and simplistic it is.

 

[Edward_H]

I thought this wasn’t a he said she said issue? Or perhaps you have double standards?

Besides, I already answered that question. People here speak about bikinis being immodest and scandalous, and so I write back and explain that they are not. If people didn’t obsess over them being scandalous, I would not have the need to talk about why there’s nothing wrong with them.

? It’a not a he/she issue. This is different from he said she said.

The body of Christ is exactly that…one part affects the others. I posted on this way above. St Paul speaks powerfully about it and so does Jesus.

It’s not man controlling himself, woman doing what she wants issue. There are larger effects and interactions underway in the body of Christ.

But this goes back to formation.

 

[Debora123]

Bottom line. If you think that showing your body is best and most certain way that you can love God and others, then do it.

If you’re showing your body for other reasons, a Catholic should do some deeper thinking on their intentions and influence on the members of the Body of Christ.

That’s Catholic moral thinking decision making. That’s the test.

It is not a matter of “showing our bodies,” Edward.

Pope John Paul II -------in Love and Responsibility:

While we are on the subject of dress and its relevance to the problem of modesty and immodesty it is worth drawing attention to the functional significance of differences in attire. There are certain objective situations in which even total nudity of the body is not immodest, since the proper function of nakedness in this context is not to provoke a reaction to the person as an object for enjoyment, and in just the same way the functions of particular forms of attire may vary. Thus, the body may be partially bared for physical labour, for bathing, or for a medical examination. If then we wish to pass a moral judgment on particular forms of dress we have to start from the particular functions which they serve.** When a person uses such a form of dress in accordance with its objective function we cannot claim to see anything immodest in it, even if it involves partial nudity. **Whereas the use of such a costume outside its proper context is immodest, and is inevitably felt to be so.
For example, there is nothing immodest about the use of a bathing costume at a bathing place, but to wear it in the street or while out for a walk is contrary to the dictates of modesty.

I have no issue whatsoever with what I wear, and I know God doesn’t either.

 

[Debora123]

? It’a not a he/she issue. This is different from he said she said.

The body of Christ is exactly that…one part affects the others. I posted on this way above. St Paul speaks powerfully about it and so does Jesus.

It’s not man controlling himself, woman doing what she wants issue. There are larger effects and interactions underway in the body of Christ.

But this goes back to formation.

Well I certainly don’t go around doing what I want, so no problem there!

 

[Edward_H]

It is not a matter of “showing our bodies,” Edward.

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Do you agree that our singular motivation every day - in all our actions and choices- should be done to please God, to love Him and, in so doing, love others as God wants them loved?

 

[severus68]

Respecting/loving ourselves is nebulous? The need to respect/love ourselves before we are able to love others is false?

That quote of yours:thumbsup: Wanted to say it myself that you would be unable to love anyone else if you cannot love and accept yourself.

 

[Debora123]

No, I am just taking your recommendation and showing how silly and simplistic it is.

Explain this to me please. What do you mean by “my recommendation?”

What is “silly and simplistic,” and how did you go about showing that?

 

[Debora123]

Do you agree that our singular motivation every day - in all our actions and choices- should be done to please God, to love Him and, in so doing, love others as God wants them loved?

Of course.