Top 10 reasons women should dress modestly

[Debora123]

That quote of yours:thumbsup: Wanted to say it myself that you would be unable to love anyone else if you cannot love and accept yourself.

Thank you. I don’t know why people were nit picking at it and trying to make it sound like I was being selfish or putting myself above God just because I said that we must respect ourselves before we are capable of respecting others.

 

[Edward_H]

Explain this to me please. What do you mean by “my recommendation?”

What is “silly and simplistic,” and how did you go about showing that?

Perhaps they should be more partaking of the Mass and less observing how people dress and judging.

This is “he/she” me/she/he. one on one. There are larger problems.

You simplistically “solve” the problem by recommending that they should be more partaking…and less observing.

And I pointed out why that recommendation is simplistic.

 

[Edward_H]

Of course.

So when you dress you give due consideration to how your choices might affect others, temporally and supernaturally?

 

[Debora123]

This is “he/she” me/she/he. one on one. There are larger problems.

I don’t understand what you mean of how this contributes to the discussion.

You simplistically “solve” the problem by recommending that they should be more partaking…and less observing.

I have no idea what you are referring to.

And I pointed out why that recommendation is simplistic.

?

Confused.

 

[severus68]

I am not attacking you…I am calling attention to poor formation. This is an act of charity. Your inability to get off the bikini point and to reflect on our full responsibilities as Catholics…a fuller view of charity, generosity, humility, love of neighbor, solidarity.

How can you help others if you haven’t yet integrated these principles into an understanding of modesty and the general moral life? It’s impossible.

These are principles absent from your vocabulary over many hundred posts on this topic.

Don’t get all snippy just because I am pointing out thin points.

I thought this thread was about modesty and the moral life…not bikinis and your view of perverts.

You have been attacking Debora, basically telling her that she has an issue with morality. You also do more of word play and use semantics as arguments rather than have a real discussion. Debora has a right to be “snippy” as you call it. So many people talk for God. The extremist Muslims do the same.

 

[Edward_H]

I don’t understand what you mean of how this contributes to the discussion.

I have no idea what you are referring to.

?

Confused.

This sub-thread / points were for Server…the point on “partaking more of the Mass” see above.

 

[Edward_H]

You have been attacking Debora, basically telling her that she has an issue with morality. You also do more of word play and use semantics as arguments rather than have a real discussion. Debora has a right to be “snippy” as you call it. So many people talk for God. The extremist Muslims do the same.

Easy. I am not attacking the person…I am attacking the thin and narrow moral points that some how have propped up this thread over the weeks.

My desire is to integrate a very narrow/bikini discussion back to larger more substantial points about the moral life.

• our intentions
• our efforts at charity
• our self-donation
• our progress in advancing in humility
• our solidarity with all Catholics, Christians and all mankind.
• our docility to God’s will.

 

[severus68]

This is “he/she” me/she/he. one on one. There are larger problems.

You simplistically “solve” the problem by recommending that they should be more partaking…and less observing.

And I pointed out why that recommendation is simplistic.

Again, semantics and word play instead of a full argument and a proper discussion. If you have always talen the position that you are right and hold the truth, why not just start a thread where you and others with the same thinking can just post for others to read. I am not being flippant.

BTW we all thought it was gracious of you to post as you did at the end of last week. We cannot understand your starting your bombardment of insults etc.

 

[Debora123]

So when you dress you give due consideration to how your choices might affect others, temporally and supernaturally?

When I dress I dress in accordance to what is appropriate to function, time and place.The vast majority of men out there would say there is absolutely nothing wrong with what I wear. But I can’t please everyone.

I don’t know what you mean by giving consideration to others. Some people will be insulted if I wore pants. Some people would be insulted if I died my hair purple. Some people would be insulted if I exposed my knees. Some people would be insulted if I wore shorts. (Although very VERY few people on all these counts)

What specific choices in dress would YOU deem to be considerate of others? Can you please give me the Church’s standard as to what us Catholics are supposed to think is considerate of others when it comes to our clothes?

Another question. In your standards, am I being inconsiderate in the way I dress according to what you see in my pictures?

 

[Debora123]

You have been attacking Debora, basically telling her that she has an issue with morality. You also do more of word play and use semantics as arguments rather than have a real discussion. Debora has a right to be “snippy” as you call it. So many people talk for God. The extremist Muslims do the same.

Thank you Severus.

 

[Edward_H]

Again, semantics and word play instead of a full argument and a proper discussion. If you have always talen the position that you are right and hold the truth, why not just start a thread where you and others with the same thinking can just post for others to read. I am not being flippant.

BTW we all thought it was gracious of you to post as you did at the end of last week. We cannot understand your starting your bombardment of insults etc.

If I see thin doctrine, I am called to do what I can to bring it back to the fuller view of the truth.

Please separate your comments…I don’t accept the “attack” “bombardment” language.

I am a firmly defending our beautiful doctrine and will do what I can to make sure it’s not thinned down to the point of pablum.

 

[Debora123]

Easy. I am not attacking the person…I am attacking the thin and narrow moral points that some how have propped up this thread over the weeks.

No you weren’t.

You are saying that my points are narrow, but not actually going into a full argument with them.

Not breaking them down and saying why they are weak, why I am wrong, etc etc… simply saying “all your points in this entire thread are weak.”

 

[Debora123]

If I see thin doctrine, I am called to do what I can to bring it back to the fuller view of the truth.

Please separate your comments…I don’t accept the “attack” “bombardment” language.

I am a firmly defending our beautiful doctrine and will do what I can to make sure it’s not thinned down to the point of pablum.

…And yet you use no doctrine to back up your claims.

 

[Edward_H]

When I dress I dress in accordance to what is appropriate to function, time and place.The vast majority of men out there would say there is absolutely nothing wrong with what I wear. But I can’t please everyone.

I don’t know what you mean by giving consideration to others. Some people will be insulted if I wore pants. Some people would be insulted if I died my hair purple. Some people would be insulted if I exposed my knees. Some people would be insulted if I wore shorts. (Although very VERY few people on all these counts)

What specific choices in dress would YOU deem to be considerate of others? Can you please give me the Church’s standard as to what us Catholics are supposed to think is considerate of others when it comes to our clothes?

Another question. In your standards, am I being inconsiderate in the way I dress according to what you see in my pictures?

Do you ever pray when you dress? Examples: Do you talk to God and say “Lord my intention is only to please you and to love the husband you blessed me with”? “Help me to make good choices so that I bring others to you. That I remind them of pure beauty, your beauty. You made me beautiful and I want to use that beauty to give you glory?”

“You must increase and I must decrease” (from St John).

All your other words in this post seem to indicate you’re primary motivation is to the “context” of the world.

 

[Edward_H]

…And yet you use no doctrine to back up your claims.

Yes…principles like:

• charity
• docility to the Holy Spirit
• humility
• holiness
• rectitude of intention
• self-donation

are part of our doctrine and beliefs, expressed in the Catechism and in other documents and letters.

These are what I am trying to integrate with our discussion on modesty

 

[Debora123]

Do you ever pray when you dress? Examples: Do you talk to God and say “Lord my intention is only to please you and to love the husband you blessed me with”? “Help me to make good choices that I bring others to you. You made me beautiful and I want to use that beauty to give you glory?”

No. Do YOU?

“You must increase and I must decrease” (from St John).

Agreed. I never said otherwise.

All your other words in this post seem to indicate you’re primary motivation is to the “context” of the world.

Probably bc when it comes to modesty of dress, what is considered decent depends on how the world views it - as our bodies are not immodest in and of themselves.

 

[Debora123]

Yes…principles like:

• charity
• docility to the Holy Spirit
• humility
• holiness
• rectitude of intention
• self-donation

are part of our doctrine and beliefs, expressed in the Catechism and in other documents and letters.

These are what I am trying to integrate with our discussion on modesty

But you are using that to try to tell us that we dress immodestly. Sorry but it just doesn’t work that way.

 

[Edward_H]

No you weren’t.

You are saying that my points are narrow, but not actually going into a full argument with them.

Not breaking them down and saying why they are weak, why I am wrong, etc etc… simply saying “all your points in this entire thread are weak.”

That’s right I am saying your points are narrow, not you.

 

[Edward_H]

But you are using that to try to tell us that we dress immodestly. Sorry but it just doesn’t work that way.

Now you’ve lost the point. And you’ve backed up 2 weeks. I’ve never said you or anyone else dress immodestly.

I am always on the point about intention…and charity. What is your primary intention…that should be a question Catholics ask many times a day.

 

[Debora123]

Do you ever pray when you dress? Examples: Do you talk to God and say “Lord my intention is only to please you and to love the husband you blessed me with”? “Help me to make good choices so that I bring others to you. That I remind them of pure beauty, your beauty. You made me beautiful and I want to use that beauty to give you glory?”

“You must increase and I must decrease” (from St John).

All your other words in this post seem to indicate you’re primary motivation is to the “context” of the world.

You ask me question, which I answer, but you never answer any of mine. Please refer to the bolded below.

Originally Posted by Debora123 View Post
When I dress I dress in accordance to what is appropriate to function, time and place.The vast majority of men out there would say there is absolutely nothing wrong with what I wear. But I can’t please everyone.

I don’t know what you mean by giving consideration to others. Some people will be insulted if I wore pants. Some people would be insulted if I died my hair purple. Some people would be insulted if I exposed my knees. Some people would be insulted if I wore shorts. (Although very VERY few people on all these counts)

**What specific choices in dress would YOU deem to be considerate of others? Can you please give me the Church’s standard as to what us Catholics are supposed to think is considerate of others when it comes to our clothes?

Another question. In your standards, am I being inconsiderate in the way I dress according to what you see in my pictures?**